Winnie :-)

============ The problem I always have with this underplayed/overplayed malarkey is who decides. You have an extensive knowledge of records played on the scene, far more extensive than your average soulie, but in fairness that is your bag as it were. So for you a lot of things would be overplayed. I may not have heard them as often, or they didn't register, plus I had a long time off the scene bringing up kids, so to me they could be fresh still, do we agree on that? Another thing to factor in, I don't particularly care about the origins of a record, I know what makes me want to dance, but I have very little interest in the background. And I think that's one of the major differences between the average soulie, and people such as yourself, you thirst for knowledge and once learnt you want to move on, but you are always ready to learn. I'm not, for me what I like comes over a period of time, there's no rush on my part, if I remember the name of a record all well and good, if I don't ......oh well never mind. I'm not trying to detract from your status/position re: the scene, just trying to say we all have different priorities and none of us are a 100% right or wrong. When I go to a venue and can no longer show my appreciation by dancing, I think that will almost definitely be it for me, because I honestly can't envisage a time when I will yearn to learn. Again I'm not saying your outlook is wrong, just saying mine is different. If I've failed to explain myself properly, apologies, no offence is intended Winnie:-)

========== Have either of you stopped to think, if the scene isn't progressing that quickly then maybe the punters don't want it to?? Just for the record, who is to blame punters or promoters. Not meant to be a leading question so if you would rather PM the answer that's fine Winnie;-)

============= And that comes back to splitting the scene. Everybody wants it to carry on for as long as possible IMO if we keep going down this is overplayed and this is underplayed routes the scene will implode. This argument has been on here so many times, and I still can't remember a conclusion satisfactory to everyone, can you. The post that kicked it all off was about a 14 year old just finding his feet, maybe some of the records he liked had more commercial value, but he will move on to more progressive sounds if that's the path he wants to take. No amount of pontificating from either the oldies camp or the upfront lobby will change that, the decision to move on is always an individual one. That is why it saddens me to see the divide getting ever bigger, that lad may have nowhere to go in 10 years time. Winnie:-)

============ Chalks, unless you've changed tack, you tend to go to more progressive venues most weeks, so how can you know what's going on outside of them. The odd playlist perhaps, but unless you're physically at a venue, it's difficult to get a feel mate. Music isn't the only prerequisite for a good night, some of the venues you're describing may have a blinding atmosphere? Progression comes from wanting to hear new sounds, if people stay in the same area all the time it's unlikely they will. But that is their choice, and the other side of the coin is what you consider exciting and progressive, they may feel is boring and outside the spirit of northern. Personally I don't think anyone can claim the higher ground here, all we can do is accept to each his/her own and let venues thrive on their merits. Winnie:-)

============ You're right I do dance to records because I like them and they're danceable, and I don't differentiate what era/genre they're from, first and foremost they have to be good, well to my ears anyway. But we're not really talking about people who go out every week, because those people in general do have a way of naturally progressing. We're more talking about people just coming onto the scene, and as you say, those out only once a month or so (hasten to add not all) tend to maybe want to hear more familiar sounds to them. I agree about dropping the odd rarer/underplayed record in every so often, I think it's very healthy, but in truth they don't always hit the spot. One man's meat and all that. Personally I think I Don't know about you is overplayed, (still a good record IMO though) but is it to someone who go's out less, and from a personal viewpoint should someone going out less be denied it just because I've heard it a lot?? I don't think so. Winnie:-)

================== Aren't they playing the same records through customer demand Chalks? Winnie:-)

============ Agree with you and Dan about instrumentals, soul is within the voice. Far more emotive and expressive IMO, and lyrics make all the difference, I'm not sure you can communicate the anguish and despair within some records via instruments only. Instrumentals were great back in the day, pounding along, with ready made drop/spin breaks where the chorus used to be, but in general not for me these days. Winnie:-)

=========== Great shout on the Lorraine Ellison.......stunning vocal IMO Winnie:-)

As this has been discussed before, and Baz put up the link, have decided to close thread, as only going over old ground, and anybody can reply to the initial thread if they like . Cheers Winnie:-)

============= absolutely brill film, but then anything with Ray Winstone just has to be good Winnie:-)

============== Didn't actually want to be in it, slightly outside the age range of dancers required But always interested in seeing how we're being portrayed, the pic I saw of Sadie Frost yesterday seemed to sum it up perfectly Maybe there should be a small part for Dani*lla Westbr*ok, Maybe dancing to Septumber Jones

============ Thanks for putting this thread up, in particular, very interesting reading. I was away in August last year and missed the whole of that debate. Is there a confirmed cast list ......anyone?? Winnie:-)

============= Jude Law's ex. The post was on KTF and said the 'brit pack' were in it, not sure who they include, Johnny Miller etc? Seem to remember Kev mentioning young dancers, but didn't realise it was for a major film? Tried searching for Daily Express...today's stories, but it required me to suscribe/join, which I can't do as it's really not my 'cup of tea' newswise Winnie:-)

Apparently there's an article in the Daily Express today about a film featuring northern soul. Sadie Frost is in it. Anybody know anything about it? Have I missed a previous discussion on here re: this particular film? If so, can someone put a link up so I can read it. Thanks in advance Winnie:-)

============= With the other tempo in vogue at the moment, they'll hit the ground 'duck walking'

Arthur Sam Kenny B Carl F Mick Smith cos he'd send em away dancing and wanting more

================ So there is a potential divide? Which is possibly why Paul made his original point, as he may well want to hear tainted love alongside a cover up? Just food for thought, not saying or making any statements of fact, just an observation Winnie:-)

=================== I'm not sure why we're not allowed to say classics, I've heard many classics played at the 100, it's always mixed and matched, but that's why it's still the number one nighter in the country musically. If there is no divide then I stand corrected, perhaps ALL venues should have a more across the board policy?? Room for everyone don't you think?? And all on the same dance floor I would hope Winnie:-)

============== Do you think maybe he can see a definite split appearing on the scene? Maybe Paul wants to hear some classic oldies in amongst a set of 'upfront' sounds. The thing that struck me when I came back on the scene was the old divide, Wigan vs Mecca, wasn't as pronounced. Venues played tracks right across the board despite which venue they originated from, which meant better quality music overall. With the advent of this new style 'upfront', I can only see another split, particularly with people saying if you like this, go here etc. What's wrong with us all being on common ground? Winnie:-)

============== I'm sure that certain records such as I walked away (which I asked for on Saturday) evoke memories and that's why they're still popular and in demand. They usually put you in a time and place, but what they also do is inspire. I've asked this question before, but if you wanted to describe Northern, and you were going to use records to do it, would you give them tried and tested oldies or 'upfront'. The lads only 14, if he stays with northern, he'll make his own mind up over the coming years, force feed 'upfront' now and he may drift away, because it is a very different style from the more classic sound he's currently used to. Winnie:-)

=============== Nothing like a bit of Voltaire to soothe the masses I'm going to Wales too Paul, see you in the oldies room

============== We clearly left an imprint on the Nick Hancock wannabees Getting back on topic, your son may like some of the more commercial sounds at the moment, but 'time marches on', and I'm sure he'll move with the times. The important thing is, as Chalky says, is enjoy what he enjoys, not be told what is good Winnie:-)

============ Simsy, that post was 1966 and football related......an omen perhaps for the world cup? Winnie:-) =========== totally agree with those sentiments, far too much chatting and not enough dancing these days Winnie:)

============= Are you hiding from them, or are they hiding from you