Winnie :-)

Yeah & I'm a smug bastard, cos I care about the the future of the Northern Soul scene & dont want to be ridiculed as a bunch of fat old people dancing to the same thing they were 20 - 30 yrs ago. I'm still 100% passionate about this music & fortunately there are promoters, DJ's & punters out there that are too & I salute you & more power to you, its not alway's easy to do the righ thing. Now come on then I'm ready for the smart arses to start the slagging instead of thinking of the greater good of the scene. Smug Russ

=============== I'm in agreement with Dan on a lot of what he says, the terms used are what annoy me more than anything. It's almost like some people are trying to create a new Wigan/Mecca/Torch where ever, so that in 10/15 years time they have their own club/clubs to site as leading the way forward. I agree with Russ on a few things too, yes its important to keep things fresh, and for me the best way is to do across the board nights including new releases where appropriate. That's progressive IMO. Reactivating becomes a question of personal choice and how long before something reactivated becomes overplayed? The question has to be asked, are underplayed oldies better than the top 500 on quality, or the fact that they're not played very often. Winnie:-)

============== How is the playing of new stuff stagnation, that doesn't seem to make any sense. And festering etc, are you describing a kind of music you particularly find abhorent, if so what? Are you trying to say that oldies is the way forward? Soz, but I really don't understand the post. Winnie:-)

============== The interesting thing to me is, I hear these terms, progressive, upfront etc, but the only thing that seems to actually be new is the term itself. Most of the records have probably been played as already mentioned, so what are we actually talking about here. Someone elses take on what's quality records now?? Still haven't recieved any answers on how much is actually new material, Stu has mentioned alternate takes on existing records and of course R&B, but how much of that is brand new to everyones ears? To me it seems the terms mentioned are much more about underplayed records than brand new discoveries, which kind of begs the question "why call it upfront, or progressive"? Why not just say we don't play any of the top 500, wouldn't that cover it? Why create a genre of music that technically doesn't exist ie: newies when that is not really a correct description of what's being played? Winnie:-)

Reading through Joel 90's thread, there were references to 'newly found northern' and progressive northern. Also we keep hearing about upfront northern....can anybody give a difinitive description of it? Is it brand new? I remember talking to Dave Flynn a few years ago, during the Dome's hey-day and he was pretty sure most records had been played at some time or other and rejected, because they didn't fit the scene at the time. What I'd like to know really is.....this progressive thing, is it all new discoverys, or is it the previously rejected records, how much new stuff is really coming through? The impression I have is that there is not really much new stuff filtering through, and rather than a progressive scene, it's a reactivation thing. Any comments?? Winnie:-)

============= Hiya mate, didn't see you at Prestatyn, well not strictly true, came into the main room on request of Tommy, and took a piccie. If I can get someone to download it, you may have to change the name of your event.....sleepless nights indeed Hope you had a good one, maybe you could get someone to embroider the piccie, would make a great patch for a Parka??

============= Brains from thunderbirds, and Lee Van Cleef

============ You forgot to say newies are fab........or did you???????

========== Maybe the young lady was on about your ability to solve the middle east crisis? I agree all newies are oldies, if only it was as simple as that

People seem to be forgetting the most important part of the uniform for men.......the moustache We were the 'Peter Wyngarde' clones Winnie:-)

=========== Very HB I might take one to Prestatyn with me, not quite as fruit salad as that one though

============ You've only done this cos you know Shane is away at Prestatyn Most pointless thread for me that's ever posted, the newies oldies debate, never been resolved

============= Chris, is that one of them there checked ben sherberts in your avatar, the ones Mikey and Stu were on about earlier in the thread?

=================== Good luck Craig 3 before 8....won't ask what they'll be then Winnie:-)

========== Would either of you girls like a spritza?

=============== Baz why are you so worried about traditions? No one's telling you what to wear, just saying the sort of things worn over the years. Wish you wouldn't use words like stupid when describing peoples clothes, it's uncalled for IMO. Personal choice in clothes is just that, and in effect is beyond criticism. Winnie:-)

Current northern soul uniform.... Short sleeve shirt Trousers Leather soled shoes.... imperative T-shirts to change into if you dance Can't think of much else

The trip......don't hear it much these days Cochise as above As for records getting your head round, Pizza pie man? Winnie:-)

============= And you're usually so good with names..............

============ Is the voice not an instrument then? Produces all sorts of notes, massive range and can add emotion so easily Again I think it's a matter of choice, personally I prefer vocals, but if instrumentals are your thing, brill Winnie:-)

============ Maybe we need a new thread, and someone can define soul for those of us who like northern??

============== so the difference is just the prefix??

============ That can't be right, that would only make you 35, you sure it wasn't 30 years ago?................... ============== Agree with you I couldn't see the relevance either Winnie:-)

============== That's true, and I wasn't saying that's a bad thing, just explaining how the argument/debate can appear unbalanced because of it. I also agree that at a venue the vast majority albeit silent on here, want familiar sounds, again not a bad thing IMO. We may be dinosaurs but you 'upfront boys/girls' are positively neanderthal at times Winnie:-) PS. As Baz said the last line not to be taken seriously please

=============== But we're not at a venue Baz, we're chewing the fat on SS, and in my view the 'upfront' posse are far more vocal on here, nothing wrong with that, but it does appear to be a fact