Winnie :-)

Little Dooley - If ever I needed you Jimmy Cobb - So nobody else can hear Little Ann - Who are you trying to fool Last one just to finish with a total bang

Just an observation, but how are you dancing 'how you like' if you've been taught? You're surely dancing how someone else (your teacher) likes

And there in lies the key Mark. As clichéd as it sounds the music moved you, and that's intrinsic to dancing. I think most can tell if someone is feeling it, or going through the motions.

Let me just check my 'Northern soul directory' for the right answer

I don't think it's the 'profit' that's the real problem Bob. There's a number of other questions. Authenticity: Most of us learnt to dance by watching other people and copying and lifting moves, until we'd adapted our own style. This dancing by numbers doesn't really allow for that. As has been mentioned previously, (I've seen this girl dance on many occasions) and she doesn't appear to be dancing necessarily to what's being played. It's all well and good that you can shuffle, stomp, glide, drop and spin etc but it (sorry if this appears a little rigid) should be done to the right record and at the right time, otherwise it looks silly. The person dancing by numbers will probably have no idea, but those around said person will. Reasoning: I understand that some people lack confidence when dancing, so in that respect a few lessons may help get someone up on the floor, no problems with that. But, it shouldn't IMO be used to make you fit in. That isn't and has never been an instantaneous right. Awareness: Teaching someone to dance should include making them aware of the people around them, so that they don't encroach into others dance space. I've witnessed this more than once, and it's incredibly irritating to have someone walking/prancing across you because they haven't been informed of spatial awareness. Personal: Dancing has always been of a personal nature, hence the different styles it's never been completely uniform, because for most of us however we feel the record is how we interpret it. Importantly we enjoy the record, we're not dancing because someone has intimated it's a prerequisite. Profit: There have always been people who make money from the northern scene, it's not a bad thing in general, because a lot of the time it allows us to have somewhere to dance, or a record to buy (if that's your bag) and a place to see friends. But for me this goes beyond that because as previously mentioned it's allowing people to start on an established scene without the apprenticeship. I realise that might sound snobby and a bit up my own ar*e, but I make no apology for it. When I go out, when I dance, I'd like to be surrounded by like minded people there for the same reasons as me, not there because they wanted somewhere different to go on a Saturday night

I like the idea of something on the northern scene with a little depth, that's all. I find this 'Let's keep it underground' ethic a bit silly when people comment on it all over facebook or indeed on SS. It's hard to keep something under wraps when we're publicising it daily in one form or another.

It's on BBC4 or were you going for an April fool's joke

Maybe because it was posted yesterday Ian, wouldn't be much of a joke a day early. It actually sounds ok to me by the way

I have a sneaky feeling a move to facebook would mean this might get put up obviously in keeping with soul source tradition somebody would point out that this isn't the original

I was trying to 'out' the OP supporter

We'll all be going to .......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4x6dpKr5wQ

I like the sound of ''FREE THE SOUL SOURCE....'' (put in number that's applicable) I'm waiting for the advert. ''Were you expelled from Soul Source, well you may have a claim, call this toll free number, WE DON'T GET PAID UNLESS YOU DO''

We'd be able to look forward to such threads as Which leg do you put into your underpants first? How do you actually spell KTF? and... I produced a record and it's great? Thank goodness it's 'the beginning of April'

More chance of getting 100% agreement on this than the Oscar Pistorius trial?

Walk in my shoes-Gladys. It moves me from the intro to the end, immense!!!!

And one could be used when having a shti as Dave pointed out. Guess the other could be used as in causing a scene, if said movement was done in public ... :-)

I'll rephrase, it was a scene that attracted youth because it was populated by youth, now go and have another sh*t you old fart

And in my opinion better

I'm not sure I or anyone else expects too much. I watched the programme with an open mind and have taken into account comments I've seen on this thread and on facebook in my initial summation of the programme. I don't see how last night's programme benefits the film at all, I can't really see how younger kids watching will think it was cool to be honest, perhaps if it was only the 'young souls' being interviewed or dancing they may have formed an affinity, but with older folk? That's not really happened before, and can't for the life of me see why it would happen now. Old always has and always will be uncool. I've read and written comments equating what's currently happening with the 'boom' period of the mid seventies but there are major differences to my mind. However many people top of the pops reached in those days, it's still only a fraction of those being reached now via the internet. In the seventies it was a genuine youth movement, we weren't being asked or expected to fraternise with 50 year olds, so there was no real danger of being judged, we were the ones forging the scene. The programme for me, didn't make that clear enough, yes there were references to Wigan, hence vests and bags, but they weren't representative of a growing scene. All they were were the current fashions of the day. And whilst we're on that topic why wear bags and a vest but complete the look with trainers, that's not very authentic is it. Not that that particularly worries me, but where was the community spirit? All of us have probably met friends that have been with us through the 40 or so years we've been part of the scene, does anyone think that came across. Did the music played show the northern scene in it's best light. Nearly every one of these programmes plays the same hackneyed music, does anyone think that's a representation even of the top 500 scene. There are 500 in that list, pick something else from it FFS. Why do the presenters feel the need to get 'togged' up in bags etc, do the majority of those of us still going wear them? I don't expect much, I realise it's made for TV but at least be accurate, or as a programme maker you're always going to get a backlash!!

I don't know her personally, but I think you're referring to Mick Fitzpatrick's daughter, and yes she's a great dancer

Jackie said to me yesterday, what do I say when people ask me if I'm like that when I go out. I just said say no, no point in giving explanations or excuses it's only a small part of life

Pete, honestly mate I'm struggling to see what bits you'd have enjoyed, the records they played showed nothing of the current scene, neither did the clothes. Anybody who goes, or posts on here or other sites knows there's humour and intelligence, where did they capture that? Not having a go, if you enjoyed it fair enough, but I'd rather people were visiting/coming onto the soul scene to find out what it's all about, not in the hope to have a cheap laugh at the expense of all those who really enjoy it. Yeah the kids were gooduns, but so are most of the rest of the community. I truly hope it doesn't have a damaging effect on the film.

Having slept on the one show performance last night I think the following: I'm not one of those people who think the soul scene needs to remain underground, so the publicity concept in general doesn't worry me. What does piss me off however, is the lack of dignity that these sorts of programmes generate. Why do the presenters feel the need to 'dress up', the vast majority of the people on the scene don't bother, it's NOT at all representative so why portray it that way? We become clown like figures, when all we're out doing is enjoying ourselves. I thought from start to finish the show was awful and did exactly what I expected, dumbed down the northern scene so as to make it a piece of watchable television. The depth of knowledge, love and integrity that the northern scene possesses, never came through for me, it's not that a programme couldn't capture it, they just can't be asked. Thumbs down from me!!

Reading this thread it's as though people want their own particular taste to be validated by everyone liking the same tunes/venues as them. It's never going to happen, somewhere in a parallel universe on an alternate soul source there's a bunch of oldies fans wearing vests and bags moaning about how the original ethic of the scene has changed, since this newie/funkie/latiny/ thing became popular. As I've read this thread or it's type a 100 times before I'm dipping out and leaving it to the 'movers and shakers' to right the wrongs of the soul world

There's one scene but thousands of people desperate to define it to their own personal agenda. I choose what I enjoy every time, and suggest we all do the same :-)