Winnie :-)

========== Course I've seen soulies pour scorn on 'outsiders' but have also witnessed these same people taking the piss out of dancers, do you think thats ok? I'd still maintain it's not a typical view, most 'soul folk', just go out and enjoy themselves from what I've seen Its a convenient word that describes people who go to soul events, can't see anything strange about it at all?? I think associating 'soulie' with bags and badges is strange considering how many people are on the scene that don't subscribe to either fashion. Perhaps if we all carried light sabres we could substitute starship troopers for soulies? While we're at it you always bring up bags etc, but don't the youth of today have uniforms? Hoodies jeans, trainers and of course baseball caps. Why oh why oh why don't they go and live in the ghetto if they want to dress like that........see its easy to make sweeping statements

Good news he's fit and well again

=========== Baz, What evidence do you have that its a typical view, that would imply a majority within the soul fraternity. I hate the phrase Played Out Oldie (new anacronym, POO just for the upfront boys) But it gets used over and over again. Guess thats why it goes into the northern soul dictionary, bit like soulie. You seem to have problems with almost everything that reflects the scenes heritage for some reason, gonna tell us all why?

============= Absolutely love this record. Can't not mention 'show and tell'........awesome.

============ Don't think people turn a blind eye Si, I think it's a case of no one willing to prosecute, and the question is why. It would appear to be a guaranteed win, but no one apparently wants to take up the cudgels, so I guess you're right, people will continue to bootleg, and on SS people will continue to bring it to everyones attention, but in the long run, nothing will get done. Winnie:-)

========== Do they smell different as well?

=========== And how many, if not facing peer pressure, really care about the format?? If the people posting in this thread were represenatative, you'd assume everyone, but there are over 2000 people on SS not even bothering to put up a view. That's not a criticism, just a fact of life, most people aren't all that bothered one way or the other and thats probably because the vast majority are punters not collectors? Winnie:-)

============= It's difficult to disagree with this sentiment, human nature is such that total honesty doesn't really exist

============= I can understand the craving for vinyl, but why not as someone has suggested get it cut yourself. I think as a scene we shoot ourselves in the foot on so many occasions. Outrage that Bootlegs are being sold, but no acceptance of other formats, which would probably make the need for boots obsolete. If people are serious about ridding the scene of boots, surely every avenue has to be explored?? I think relying on peoples goodwill not to buy boots isn't realistic to be honest. It's like an relying on an athlete not to take performance enhancers, for some reaching their goal is secondary to how they actually achieve it. Winnie:-)

============= What about people who knowingly buy them?

=========== Accept you don't like CDs Si, but in most cases at least they're official releases, with I take it royalties going to the artists. This isn't the case in Boots, so perhaps CDs are the lesser of the two evils............unless there is another way to stop boots being sold that no one has come up with yet?

============ Thanks Stu So the seller could be named then? Yep, as a treat you can shut fingers in doors

============ Thanks for explaining Stu, and just to clear up one last point, just who can be prosecuted, the person producing the boots, or the person selling them? Win:-) PS. Think you're ready for the SPG mate

========== Good call, I'd go for.... Don't turn your back on me.....Jack Montgomery Little girl.......Corey Glover These memories.....Almeta Lattimore All pretty emotional tracks, that could only fail to move the most hard hearted person.

============ I thought earlier in the thread, people were saying they knew who was behind all of these bootlegs?? Wouldn't the person selling these boots be as responsible as the person manufacturing them? Even if different sources were used to supply the seller, under investigation wouldn't that person have to name them or face prosecution themselves. And if in the future a new supplier was found, the seller could hardly deny that they knew the records were boots. Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but there must be a reason why someone can constantly sell boots and not be prosecuted? Winnie:-)

=========== The thing I can't understand is what's the lure, if its a bootleg and you're a DJ, you're almost certain to be found out. And why bother with a bootleg, when as you rightly say Danny the track has probably been released on CD anyway. If CDs were an acceptable DJ format, would that curtail the bootlegs, this isn't a view, its a question. I can see there being downsides obviously, because virtually anybody would be able to DJ, although if it did take off, could see it being mostly at local soul nights. But which would be the lesser of the two evils. Boots have been part of this scene for 30 plus years, so the problem has never really been solved, perhaps embracing CDs could do that? As I said, not a personal view, just a question. Winnie:-)

============ At the moment Peterborough have a very solid base, with at least 4 venues running successful soul nights. Whilst musically they may not be to everyones taste, their success can't be argued with. Add in a couple of venues in Cambridge, and St Ives, and it's a pretty strong area.

========== Have to agree, London and surrounding areas should probably be on the list

============ I'd buy that fu**in' car park in Wigan and renovate it :-)

========== Thought the clapping to the weather forecast scene was over when Russell Grant finished presenting, but those Kentucky fried Clapping adds bought a lot of us out of the woodwork, although I still clap in the old style and get criticised by the 'new breed', who say its old hat and naff, and tapping your toes or humming is the new clapping

Win as to your question its fairly common knowlage as to where these come from, how ever for me (or any one) to name them on a public forum i could be faced with not only a letter through my door, but a letter through mikes door too, as i have no hard proof, hell i could proberly pose as a dealer and go through the motions and record the whole deal on tape....always fancied being a undercover detective i could post the facts, but going up against these people takes alot of time and money two of the things that is lacking at the moment for me

============ Defo got a Steve Martin vibe going on, some of the grimaces are exactly the same

============ Saw them at the Nite Spot in Bedford, but can't remember the year. Talking of early robotics, Levi Stubbs was doing them at the Calais, mid 7Ts, or the strobe lighting was exceptional that night

Tony Galla, in love also ripe for a clap fest

=========== Why are there legal implications in naming this person? If said person is doing something illegal and its a proven fact, can't see why there should be a problem. If said person isn't doing anything illegal, or there is no hard evidence then I could see a problem. Can someone clear this up, is what we're reading conjecture or fact? Winnie:-)