Winnie :-)

================= You could have just said hair

============ I know you have a preference for R&B, but you don't ram it down peoples throats Dave, so after careful consideration I think I chose my target wisely Used your post cos it offered the 'alternative' option

============= Cos chip shops haven't got signs big enough Why isn't this in free-basing?

============ Alternatively....... God is not pleased with thee. You have failed in your duty to pretend to like upfront to impress your friends. Travel to a small venue, listen to something very obscure, observe your peers, and try and stroke your chin at the correct time. Only in this way shalt ye be forgiven. If right track is played thou shalt express your distaste by chanting the mantra "played out oldies, equal the death of the scene", you can say this at what pace you like, the important thing is that the right people hear you

========= You're guessing? Amazing instincts you have I think the people in question were being referred to as 'outsiders'. Most are fine and just get on with having a good night, but some are wankers who get very pissed, take the mick out of people dancing, and hit on women. But as you say you've never come across anybody like this cos you go to lifeline and the Brit

=================== Baz you're in the wrong thread mate, try Ian's conspiracy one, you should feel right at home there. Isn't it time Dave dropped in and said something about Bags/badges/holding the scene back etc?

========== Haven't you answered your own question when you're describing why you may look like one??

============= Why would males not interested in the opposite sex be part of your target audience Maark?

========== Well it sounds like a small animal that feeds on termites and keeps its young in a pouch. I can see this thread turning into 'call my bluff', now where's my Fwank Muir dickie bow

But they are now appearing at EVERY club - townies everybloodywhere means there are hardly any bastians of soul loving crowds left. Its now becoming just another piss up night with a twist for assholes who have no intrest in soul at all aside from having a laugh. It's not the music , - it's the erosion of the Northern night into a townie night. and yes, i'm paranoid ..... 'where's my Camel?'

======== You can't come up with a phrase like typical, and attribute it to talking to one guy, even one as wise as Glyn. I said earlier have you never witnessed the reverse, outsiders taking the piss out of the dancers. Should I think thats a typical example of outsider behaviour, or more reasonably assume its just those particular individuals with a problem. You're tarring everyone with the same brush when you say 'typical', and without hard facts, I'd say its inaccurate. I've grumbled about people messing about on the dancefloor, and been told many more times to shut up and stop being a grouch, than I have, oh yes I agree with you. You're missing a vital point in all of this, outsiders, particularly if they're young blokes, don't want you to go up and chat about how it all came about, or about records, so what do you do, generally let them get on with what they're doing and avoid talking to them. If they're young girl 'outsiders' and you go and talk to them, you're likely to have some clever tw*t on here call you a perv, so it's really a no win situation.

========== What's a wamall?

======== In the immortal words of the boomtown rats........... I'll go and look at my badges, that always cheers me up

========= Baz, You keep doing this and you're completely wrong. Its NOT a prime example of soulie mentality, its that individuals view, not everyone elses. If you want to use words like prime and typical, then you need to have hard evidence to back them up. Would agree live and let live, if the guy liked rock and roll as well, well he could have just have hung about for the R&B spot, maybe thats how he got mixed up But just liking rock and roll is not a reason to shun him, IMO, but thats all it is my opinion. Also think you're wrong about the scene not being underground because its a local night in a local club. Ponds forge, Beds Athletic, Greatstone, We got soul, these old shoes, notts brit, Sheridans and many more. All are or were smallish clubs with decent music policies, (Mark E, with Ponds more talking about the actual dancing area, rather than including the lounge/record bar area) so would definitely class as underground in my opinion. Winnie:-)

=========== Couldn't agree more, but if you don't want to feud, why say, soulies (I hate that word) it's the recognised description, most of us aren't worried about it, what would you use it its place? Then you say, as if its a solution, if oldies fan broaden their minds....... Well I know how that reads to me. You don't get hordes of oldies fans coming onto SS and saying this is all we should listen to, they actually do go out, listen to soul music and enjoy it. They don't spend all day defining what's right and wrong regarding playlists, that's for the 'supremists', not the proper soulies. Heres the thing, on a personal level, I like hearing new stuff, I like modern rooms, I like oldies. What I don't like is being led because someone thinks they know better than me. Let these people DJ, let them play their tunes, and then the audience will decide whether they've liked it or not. If they haven't they haven't. Its not because they want to hold the scene back, it's not because they're ill informed, its not because they don't visit upfront venues often enough, its because it hasn't floated their boat. Now that may disappoint the DJ playing them, but he/she should have the good grace to realise, that his/her taste is NO better or NO worse than anyone elses. That brings me back to your statement, "we all love soul music", so lets try to drop the leaders and followers doctrine. Winnie:-)

============= Doesn't really matter who brought it up, its just another example of people trying to create a two tier system within the soul scene and it just gets really tedious. Why anyone would want to foster an us and them scenario, and appear to be proud of it is beyond me. Its probably the main reason why I and many others don't visit the "pick your free superiority complex up at the door" venues very often. Winnie:-)

========== Course I've seen soulies pour scorn on 'outsiders' but have also witnessed these same people taking the piss out of dancers, do you think thats ok? I'd still maintain it's not a typical view, most 'soul folk', just go out and enjoy themselves from what I've seen Its a convenient word that describes people who go to soul events, can't see anything strange about it at all?? I think associating 'soulie' with bags and badges is strange considering how many people are on the scene that don't subscribe to either fashion. Perhaps if we all carried light sabres we could substitute starship troopers for soulies? While we're at it you always bring up bags etc, but don't the youth of today have uniforms? Hoodies jeans, trainers and of course baseball caps. Why oh why oh why don't they go and live in the ghetto if they want to dress like that........see its easy to make sweeping statements

Good news he's fit and well again

=========== Baz, What evidence do you have that its a typical view, that would imply a majority within the soul fraternity. I hate the phrase Played Out Oldie (new anacronym, POO just for the upfront boys) But it gets used over and over again. Guess thats why it goes into the northern soul dictionary, bit like soulie. You seem to have problems with almost everything that reflects the scenes heritage for some reason, gonna tell us all why?

============= Absolutely love this record. Can't not mention 'show and tell'........awesome.

============ Don't think people turn a blind eye Si, I think it's a case of no one willing to prosecute, and the question is why. It would appear to be a guaranteed win, but no one apparently wants to take up the cudgels, so I guess you're right, people will continue to bootleg, and on SS people will continue to bring it to everyones attention, but in the long run, nothing will get done. Winnie:-)

========== Do they smell different as well?

=========== And how many, if not facing peer pressure, really care about the format?? If the people posting in this thread were represenatative, you'd assume everyone, but there are over 2000 people on SS not even bothering to put up a view. That's not a criticism, just a fact of life, most people aren't all that bothered one way or the other and thats probably because the vast majority are punters not collectors? Winnie:-)

============= It's difficult to disagree with this sentiment, human nature is such that total honesty doesn't really exist

============= I can understand the craving for vinyl, but why not as someone has suggested get it cut yourself. I think as a scene we shoot ourselves in the foot on so many occasions. Outrage that Bootlegs are being sold, but no acceptance of other formats, which would probably make the need for boots obsolete. If people are serious about ridding the scene of boots, surely every avenue has to be explored?? I think relying on peoples goodwill not to buy boots isn't realistic to be honest. It's like an relying on an athlete not to take performance enhancers, for some reaching their goal is secondary to how they actually achieve it. Winnie:-)