Winnie :-)

It may be 'The Look' on facebook, but interestingly (to me anyway) very few of them ever seem to come on Soul Source, either to defend or promote themselves, they appear to stick to their local area, so in effect aren't bothering anybody? So from the Devil's advocate position, what's the harm, and is it better known promoters being a little bit precious about attendances at their own venues? It's just a question, not necessarily just to Barry, and most definitely NOT a statement on my behalf, just trying to expand the thread a little

Uplifting Russ Reminiscent of a first world war suicide charge

How did he have a choice Len, what promoter when Kenny walked in said ''by the way, don't play Frank Wilson''.

Pete Smith made the excellent point about a DJ being forced to play a big money item because it was expected, just look how many times Kenny had to play Frank Wilson, or Don Gardner. No choice in the matter really and to me another important and interesting perspective.

The obvious reason is said records may not be being played in your area Len. With a 100 venues a week in play, the odds are that someone somewhere is playing the same record as you (well not you x) but you get my drift

Another great post And a perspective rarely aired.

What a good post

But Len, to play devil's advocate for a moment, what if that's not actually the case, and they really do think they can do a better job of putting a set together. I'm just looking at alternatives to the incessant 'they're all in it for themselves' slant that normally invades these types of threads. To qualify what I'm saying a little further, you might be at a night, and as an established DJ/promoter be listening to a set being played and wonder what on earth is going on. As Martyn has said, the records to you, or to him might be all over the place. But the floor is still packed, would this not still come down to personal preference, but in effect, the unknown DJ has got it right? It's a bit garbled, I'm probably getting myself mixed up, but I know what I mean lol

That's what I was trying to get across really Tezza, people perpetually write there's too many DJs, and generally the reasons given are that they're not good enough, so they've started their own night etc etc, I'm just trying to explore another avenue. As for records I don't particularly want to dance to again, or for at least a year, Ruby Andrews springs to mind, as good a record as it is, it bores me now.

But when do we come to terms with the absolute fact that that's the way the 'mainstream' of the scene is going? Is there a King Canute who can come forward and save it, and if so how

One of the main claims on Soul Source is that every man and his dog wants to be a DJ, the general argument for this is that people are jumping on the bandwagon. I'd like to put forward a possible alternative theory, and then 'you lot' can shoot me down and pull it apart So most of the reports of the music policies of venues is that they're stale, for want of a better word. But these reports are usually from an individual viewpoint. So if you take man/woman A, B, C sitting in a venue. Person A would like to hear mostly modern Person B would like to hear mostly rare Person C would like to hear mostly oldies Through the night some of the above is played, and the people get up to dance to their respective choices, but come away thinking what they wanted to hear hasn't truly been catered for. They're looking at it from an individual point of view. They go home, look at their record boxes, and put together a set THEY'D like to hear. Then they tout around to get a slot, because in their mind's eye, they're certain they can do a better job of getting people to enjoy themselves. Can't find a slot, hire a small hall, new venue starts up. What's forgotten is that persons A, B, and C all had different choices when it came to what they wanted to hear. Instead of being happy that during the night they attended, they got up and danced 10/20 times, they want a venue where they'd get up all night. What they mistakenly think is that everybody in the room has the same taste as them and will appreciate their efforts. The argument is based on individuality, as are a lot of the comments on here, the collective viewpoint is forgotten, dismissed etc. So by my reasoning, the simple reasons that their are so many DJs these days is that we tend to look at things from an individual angle rather than a collective one, pleasing ourselves has become paramount. Factor in that most of us can't dance as much as we used too, so if we're having to sit down, we want to hear records WE like. Feel free to expand, (your own theories) or rip apart this theory, next time I go out I'll still enjoy myself Winnie

Got back on the scene 15/16 years ago, and have pretty much been out at least once a week since, with the odd exception. I could count on the fingers of one hand how many BAD nights I've had, and when I have had a bad one, that's been down to me. Every time I go out, I choose where I want to go, nobody makes me go anywhere, if I want to hear rarer stuff, more modern, oldies, I decide which venue will suit me the most. Yes there are too many venues, but if you're making the choice and if you have a bad night, well, who chose to go there in the first place? Generally speaking we are a retro scene, from the clothes to the music, we don't (usually) accommodate change well, no CDs, no youngsters, a distinct lack of quality in new sounds being pushed or reactivated, which stands to reason because there just cannot be the same quantity of great sounds waiting to be discovered as there were in the seventies. So we've diversified, different genres have their day, that to the individual going out, don't fit the criteria. Result, go back to what you know, the tried and trusted! It's been said on here a million times, choose where you go out because you want to go there, don't go somewhere where you know what's going to be played and then complain, because it wasn't what you wanted.

Having said all this, I should say I'll still watch it, it's surely the only way to be ''in with the in crowd''

I'm disappointed as yet no one has mentioned rushing past Hilda... what a poor show :)

You've forgotten, broke into the chemist.... Please edit your post for a much greater sense of authenticity KTF

I was at Nuneaton the night they filmed, but kept well out of the way only dancing when the cameras bug*ered off to interview downstairs. In the past I've always thought it doesn't really matter what people wear to northern dos (as in baggies full circle skirts etc) but I'm starting to realise that we need to get away from that image sharpish before we're just another circus act churned out every 10 years or so. Elaine's film on the other hand, looks really good, and I'm looking forward to seeing it

Well done Mike, it's always been a great site, the contributors in the main sections have been second to none, and the 'alternative sections' have always given me a great deal of pleasure, what's the old saying? Something for everyone

I'd also think that 'Little Girl' and 'These Memories', have moved many a soul fan to tears at some time in their life, both spectacularly good records IMO

As people are having a second pick We used to walk Laugh and talk, Solve the problems of the world People would pass, They would say, Perfect pair that guy and girl. Now I can't laugh without you, I'm only half without you Speaks for itself really, very moving lyrics

And I think it's a great idea for a thread

When I feel the need - Marvin Gaye The whole song does it for me, but the third verse in particular just sends shivers up and down my spine ''When my arms reach out for something And I don't know what it is I just close, close my eyes And the first thing I visualise It's my sweet baby'' I think it's partly to do with the construction of the verse, but mostly to do with the absolute need we all have within us at times, to call on our partners for support, and knowing that they will supply it. It's the joy of love. From the moment I first heard it at Prestwich all those years ago, to present day it touches me, a truly great lyric IMO When I first heard it I wasn't with anybody, but yearned for that feeling, I now am and that fourth line applies constantly. I dedicate the thought, the feeling and the line to Jackie.

It was a special occasion, as they say, when in New York, do as the New Yorkians do I'm back on salads, humus and assorted 'very good' for you' vegetables Winnie PS. The bit about vegetables, salads and Humus is fabrication

From when they were filming at the Co-op Mark? I saw them downstairs interviewing, and wandering about the venue, bit of a pain in the arse to me but I understand that they're probably good advertising. If it is the culture show, I do hope they remember it's 2013 and not keep referring back to the 7Ts, we'll be as rare as world war 1 veterans soon Do you think we'll get a slot on the news in 40 or 50 years as the last casino goer goes to the great 'dancefloor' in the sky lol

yes his wife in moments of intimacy ''Oooh Koko take your make-up off and come to bed'' I do realise it's actually Coco https://www.britishpathe.com/video/coco-the-clown Apologies to thread starter for going off topic

So his postal address might have read Mr T maid........