The title of this thread is just another way of promoters slagging off other venues, as Jock has posted on a thread earlier same old argument (with a different title). It seems to aime at the same venues nights,nighters, tit for tat. Remember a lot of punters go to these nights to enjoy the music and enjoy a tipple or two, be it they have been into the music 30 years or 30 mins. You will always get the odd one or two who go over the top,but the way this threads going it seems to be a major problem. At the end of the day the venues that keep their house in order will survive. Im a punter and a collector and in the 40 years ive been into the music i enjoy my nights as much as i did back in the old days. Handbaggers,pissheads,snorters(worse than the others mentioned) part of life these days on any scene,if you cant be bothered with the odd minor incident put your big slipper on stay at home and nobody will bother you.