Just stumbled upon this snippet from an ian brown interview.......
"No, I didn't want to be in a group! I was more interested in going off on my motor scooter to Northern Soul all-nighters. In Manchester, you couldn't avoid Northern Soul. Also, I did karate from 11 to 18. Aged 14, I was teaching it at weekends to grown men. I wanted my own karate school. But John's getting good now on guitar. He'd formed a group called The Waterfront with Andy Couzens (later of The High) on rhythm guitar, Mani on bass, a kid called Kaiser singing, and Chris on drums. John kept pestering me to sing and, in the end, I went to rehearsals with me and this Kaiser kid singing. We called ourselves The Patrol. We had a song called 'Come On'. 'Come Aaaaann!'. We played a few youth clubs but I didn't really get anything off it."
"Anyway, later I'm at this party in Hulme... my mate's roadie-ing at Salford University, and he brings Geno Washington down to this party. An' he's a superstar kind of guy, big personality, all over the room. He comes up to me and he says 'You're a star. You're an actor. Be a singer.' I remember him on the street smoking a big spliff and this copper comes round sayin' 'What are you doing?'. And he's blowing his spliff in the copper's face, this is '83. And he's goin' 'I'm Geno, man. GENO GENO!", singing the Dexy's song, really cool. And the copper didn't do nothing, he just walked away. A few weeks later, I'm thinking about what this guy's said. What does he mean I'm a star, an actor? Anyway, I thought we'd give it a go so we kicked Kaiser out and started the real thing, The Stone Roses, in March '84."