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SORTED NOW Thanks to all who have helped out.

Got two up for sale, both originals and sought after in their own right.... The Chandlers - (Never Before) Your Love Keeps Drawing Me Closer - bleu rose VG+ (has few very light marks and scuffs but nothing deep at all/ ripped label on flip, plays great listen to the clip) £100 ****ON HOLD*** A hard to find original (RITE stamped) of a sought after tune, getting hard to find nowadays. Good price considering well known dealer has a 2nd press for sale @ £50! First press original usually books at around £200 Joe Simon - Just Like Yesterday - Irral VG ( WOL and vinyl surface is scuffed and has quite a few very light scratches but it plays through with true fidelity) £70****ON HOLD*** Vinyl (not styrene) copy of this tremendous fast uptempo magic from Joe, and of course on the rarer first press label Irral. All the recordings of the actual records can be found at the YouTube link below https://www.youtube....er/MrSoultime66 Payment: Paypal as GIFT P&P: First Class Signed For - £2.34 (up to 3 records in one mailer) though recommend £7 Special Delivery Next Day as is covered by insurance.

Up for sale is an original copy of Dorothy Prince - Seek and You'll Find M-PAC DJ M- £30 incl postage @ £2.34 Recorded Delivery ***ON HOLD*** A powerhouse of a tune on the highly collectible M-PAC label from Chicago, a copy is currently on for sale at £75 on a well known sellers website.....Books for much more than what im asking! Clip of the actual record for sale can be found at https://www.youtube....er/MrSoultime66 Payment: Paypal as GIFT

What i meant by "first issue" was the first lot of issue copies to be pressed after the demo run. I reckon that a different pressing plant could be the answer. Similar to the case of Okeh styrene original variations i.e. 'machine stamped' and 'scratched in' matrix on originals. Maybe its a case of some greys were pressed on styrene (machine stamped) at one plant and vinyl (scratched) at another, using different matrix systems, i.e. machine and scratched

You cant mistake styrene, has a paper label stuck on that you can feel the edge of with a fingertip. Generally styrene records also have a thicker outer edge. If its styrene and the matrix is scratched in then I reckon its a Revilot original (though pink ones with this particular DB tune were considered to be second issues). The Okeh label has similar variations where the matrix on originals is scratched in and others machine stamped.

Thanks for the link much appreciated....but still no definitive info on the background of the grey "vinyl" issue with the scratched in matrix. The other grey variant, the styrene format has the ZTSC matrix machine stamped. Could be a regional pressing plant thing or maybe the grey vinyl variants were the first issues and they ran out of vinyl and decided to press on styrene...?! Could be the explanation.... But then could be that its a bootleg copy (though I feel its highly unlikely) not really fussed at the end of the day as it only cost £8 so am a happy chappy either way. The recording is clean and sounds great so thats the main thing!

tlscaptial, I see what ya saying... I find it strange though that even with the accuracy of bootleg/price guides that have been published there is no definitive info on this variation of DB on the grey "vinyl" Revilot format?! Surely there is someone out there that can clarify the matter once and for all ?

One thing is sure is that they seem to be less common than the styrene issues, one look at Google,Popsike and Collectors Frenzy tells us that...so I guess Im wishing its an original as it didnt cost that much and plays great. Thanks for the input.

Overall styrene was seen as a cheaper option for pressing records as it was supposed to be an easier and less costly process which in turn produced more profit for recording companies. I'm guessing some pressing plants used vinyl whilst others chose to use styrene, hence is maybe why we have the east coast -west coast variations on some labels....Apparently styrene produces a better quality recording but easily degrades over the years. Quite frankly i hate the stuff but theres no getting away from it as some original releases were only ever made on styrene!

Chris, I agree thats my thinking, why would there be a boot of a record thats not even rare as it was re-issued so many times?!

Mal, yep its been mentioned on this post and this one but we still havent got down to the matter of clarifying whether the grey "vinyl" version of DB is an original, just like its well known "styrene" counterpart?? More to the point what's the background info behind this vinyl format? My general feeling is that in an obscure way its an original, as the Rose Batiste boot is more of a deeper silvery grey shade and not a light grey shade.....but then I'm no expert on the Revilot label!

Thats the logic i saw in it as well....the guy that sold it to me thought it was a promo, but obviously isnt. I wonder if theres anyone out there that knows for sure if grey vinyl issues were actually pressed as originals? There is the train of thought that says styrene was used in the industry as it was cheaper therefore profits were gained by using it...so...were the grey vinyl copies pressed at another plant in another region of the USA?? Anyone an expert out there on the REVILOT label??

Hi Chris, Yep Ive seen the styrene demo and the grey styrene copy physically in my hands, stamped and scratched in matrix but this grey vinyl copy is a little weird as Ive never heard of a grey bootleg of DB in the all the years that Ive been collecting (near on 37 years). Obviously there is the Rose Batiste vinyl boot, so I wonder if there are similarities between the two in the way that they were made i.e. feel of the vinyl, way the matrix is scratched in.....

Got this grey copy from the USA for around $9 and was sold as original (doesnt mean a thing really!) and saw this post (that in a way has not got closure yet!) and just wanted to try and clarify the situation with Darrell Banks - Our Love grey issues on vinyl (not the usual styrene) I have an exact same copy as Southern_soul1, vinyl grey issue that looks like a worn out white demo but isnt as its lacks the obvious words " DJ Copy Not For Sale" on the label. There are known variations with regard to the pink issues but with regard to the grey issues (1st press) there is a Rose Batiste vinyl grey boot but as far as I know and others im sure Darrell Banks was not booted on grey vinyl, was it?! In the run out grooves the scratched in matrix reads "ZTSC107683" and "ZTSC107682" parallel to the RV-201 on the label, there is a scribble scratched in before the Z letters on both sides. Anyone out there that can shed light on the matter? Is this a boot or a legit first press grey copy on vinyl that was pressed at a different regional pressing plant??

SORTED now many thanks for help to all.

Looking to get a copy of jay and the Americans - I got hung up along the way on UNITED ARTISTS label, I'm after the US release not the UK one. PM with any info or offers. cheers.

The wonders of the internet, unless im mistaken the very same record is/was for sale on this forum yesterday... Somebody has had a change of heart maybe.....and is now selling...?? The scratch marks on the "Im Gone" label give it away so easily, check for yourself. Every day that passes I cant help but feel this once but glorious underground music scene we knew as Northern Soul has become subjected to utter madness with the prices that certain records fetch in crap condition. Apparently its a VG and plays through ok so maybe that eases a few minds for the price that was paid but IMHO its way too much for the record and its condition ( it was one of my fave oldies as well) Think we got to rewrite the price guides maybe...a lot of records that we thought there were only a handful of years ago have suddenly over the years started to grow in number...look at Cecil Washington on Prophonics as an example....More to the point, its also the wonders of the internet that breeds and feeds the freak show of crazy prices being paid for vinyl.