Quinvy

Post of the week………Brrrrrrrrilliant.

The real acid test of how much your collection is worth..........take it to one of the dealers. When I started buying records again, not sure when it was, probably around 2000. I was on eBay every day and at Tim Browns every week, I wanted everything. I bought one of those bloody huge 500 count aluminium boxes, and I couldn't wait to fill it. This was oldies I was buying, I had been going out to do's for quite a while and I thought that most of the Dj's didn't have a clue, and I was going to show them how it should be done. Anyway, long story short, I filled the box but couldn't get a spot for love nor money. So I decided to get rid of the oldies and just buy top quality rarities that I was starting to hear as I was now going to allnighters. Here's my point. I took the box to the big dealers. The left hand side of the box was all the popular oldies that are in demand and fetch anything from £100 to £500. The right hand side were all fabulous tunes but cheapies, on major labels, Ric-tics and the like. The dealers wouldn't even consider the right hand side of the box at any price. When I added the cost of those records up, I had spent a lot of money with those dealers, yet they were virtually worthless in reality.

No it's not, it' me as well.

It's better than 99% of the stuff put up on this forum by folk saying "this is a fantastic cheapie" and can't understand why this isn't huge. At least it's got a dance beat.

Just get a jukebox instead.

I never mentioned value. Why would you assume that my 130 45's were all big money items? Believe me, there were plenty of cheapies in that box, and they got played. A fantastic record is a fantastic record, regardless of cost. Too many on here seem to have a problem with anyone who is lucky enough to own any big ticket 45's. Get over it, we would all have them if we were lucky enough to have the money. Well I certainly would anyway.

I can't agree with that Frankie. I've never been a collector per se, even in the early 70's when records were very cheap I never had more than 300. I only ever bought records that knocked my socks off. Collecting labels is just like stamp collecting. I don't know why the term "hotboxing" is considered as derogatory. I was certainly a hotboxer. If you Dj regularly and you are honest with yourself, you will soon realise that you use the same 20 to 30 records nearly every time you do a spot. The idea is to keep moving the odd record on, and replace it with something fresh for your set. I think I had around 130 45's most of the time, but I was always swapping or selling the odd record all the time to try and keep it fresh. You would have to be very wealthy indeed to be able to keep everything and still add new things to the box. And why would you want to? Every record has it's day.

That is very true, look at how many copies of 45's that were thought to be 1 or 2 copy records have turned up on ebay and Manship's auction. Like others have said, if you have the money now, you could have an incredible collection in a couple of years and I mean with all the big hitters in there. Well I know of a couple of people who have actually done so.

When I was going out to nighters every week I couldn't believe the amount of very average records that were for sale. There seemed to be a hard core of people that were at every event with the same cheap records, and they just sold them to each other. There are loads of collections that have nothing in them of value. When money is plentiful this is something for people to do as a hobby, but in a recession I think that people have tried to sell these collections and had a shock when nobody wants them. In a recession people are looking for something to invest their money in. Interest rates for savers are crap, hence the high price of gold/silver, trophy records, classic cars etc. It's even harder to sell the £200 to £500 stuff that isn't very good. Plenty of these.

Great list and very reasonable prices. I've never seen a M- John Wesley. They're usually trashed.

Wasn't this done very recently?

Wasn't there a Golf GTI involved somewhere?

I though Dickie Watt still had the gold Professionals?

That was the one that Kitch got.

This is another phenomenon that has occurred since this auction first started up. People buying rare records off ebay and this site and then sicking them on Manships aucton hoping to make a killing. I may be completely wrong but there was a copy of Toni Ross on ebay a few weeks ago. Is this it? I know it went for a substantial amount, so if it is that copy, it's going to have to make a very high price, considering the 20% comission on top. I did it myself in the early days of his auction when he only took 10% commission, and had some success. But I reckon a lot have failed to get the price they were looking for. I sold a mint copy of the Conquistadors on here for a grand. I only had the one enquiry for what is a bloody great and extremely rare piece. Anyway a couple of weeks later it's on Manships auction, and it made £1300 I think. So a grand for the record and £260 commission means the guy made £40. Better than a poke with a sharp stick.

I told you you would all be disappointed. Nah nah, na nah nah.

The gold Professionals that features in JM's book belongs to Dickie Watt.

Yep, I used to see the same names on there every week when new records went up. The same thing used to happen on ebay, the same names used to bid on everything northern right at the start of a listing. But just minimum bids, hoping to nick something cheap. I can only assume it gives them a cheap thrill and they can say to their buddies, "I bid on that, I was winning at one point" yeh right.

it just shows that some people already know what it is, or there are several looney's escaped from the bin.

Wow! Flaming emeralds on blue fee. Never managed to get one of those.

There are loads of brilliant northern acetates that turned up in the eighties and nineties, got a few plays and have disappeared into private collections never to be heard again. The first time I heard "black wings has my angel" was on an old tape that had Des Parker's name on it. I thought it was sensational so next time I was out I asked Carl Willingham to play it. I couldn't believe that what came out of the speakers was completely different to what I had heard on the tape. Apparently the one on the tape was an acetate and it was far superior to the released version. Des can't remember anything about it, but Tim Brown said he used to own it, but can't remember who he sold it to. There was another fantastic acetate on Manship's rarest of the rare section. Can't remember the details now, but after a fair bit of investigating I discovered that it was owned by the legendary collector Dj Honky. I got in touch and asked if he would sell me a cut so that my mate Cliff could play it at Burnley. Unfortunately he declined. That's just a couple of examples, there's many more. It's a crying shame that they will never be heard out again. I always think it's a shame that Ady doesn't let a few other Dj's have cuts of his brilliant new finds. Unless you are a regular at the 100 club, most people will never hear them. What ever happened to the acetates that James Trouble got off Ady? They were all supposed to be coming out on an RCA Cd. Some of those were brilliant, especially the Cavaliers track.

Sorry, I didn't have time to finnish my original post no.29. I bought the Carol & Gerri blind in the early 70's from a sales list. Around the same time I bought my first copy of the Chandlers off Brad. He didn't think it would "go" because of the long slow break in the middle of the track. I played both sides of Carol & Gerri and the Chandlers locally, and they were well known to my circle of friends including Guy Hennigan who lived in Skipton at that time. This went on for a few years until I thought the scene was well and truly over and I sold up. This would be around 75/76. The big hitters of the time that I had sold instantly, but those two 45's along with other stuff that wasn't known at the time, were a little harder to shift. One day I got a call from Pete Higson who said this guy called Andy Riding wanted to come round and buy some tunes. I had never met the guy before, and I never met him after, but he had great taste because he took both the Carol & Gerri and the Chandlers. Within a couple of months they were both massive tunes.

I didn't think that was possible Kev?

I didn't know there was another copy, and as I said earlier it's all just boring bollocks and guesswork. Who really cares? It just shows how sad some of our lives are. Isn't Mr. Manship a millionaire yet?

That's the only sensible post yet. Just one cracked copy known isn't there.