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  1. This thread reminded me of this post earlier this year! "Following on from the debates what should get played originals or not and the interesting, if not very intelectual, debate on the Grapevine 2000 thread. How about a registration scheme where DJs and Venues can commit to playing originals only. I'm not a world authority on originals or a paid up member of the 'soul police' but a couple of us gave this some thought a while back. A number of relatively big DJs thought it may not be a good idea. Dunno why Just to get the debate going here is a summary of our thoughts as I remember them: (acknowledgement goes to messers Murphy, Ferguson, Hayes, McWilliams et al) Soul Probity What is it? It is a sort of "kite mark" to indicate to visitors to particular venues what they are buying with their admission fee. Why has it been developed? The venue competition within the Northern and Rare Soul scene has grown tremendously recently. The proliferation of tracks available on CD, bootlegs and legitimate re release has facilitated this and it is now possible to play many of the top rarities at minimal cost. What's wrong with that? On the face of it nothing and for some dancers particularly this is something positive allowing them to dance to sounds that they would have had to travel miles for previously unless of course they have a dance floor in their front room. However without the massive investment, financial and otherwise of some DJs and promoters how would these sounds develop and without that continued development what is the future for the scene? Isn't this just elitist snobbery? Far from it. It is more about allowing everyone to be more discerning in their choices if this is important to them. There are venues that have solid and long-standing reputations with dancers who want to hear the stock oldies; and who can argue with their success. This scheme will not impact on such venues at all. If however hearing a balance of classics with some new and different sounds is important then the 'Soul Probity' logo will provide some assurance to the punter. Who benefits from this? The punters - Through the ability to make more informed choices and knowing in advance what to expect at, even the newest of, venues. The diversity of sounds heard will increase as the rarity of some sounds has a natural limiting effect on the numbers of DJs that can play them. This will encourage creativity and imagination in those venues, in those DJs, that adopt the scheme. The promoters - There will be a better match between what is expected and what is delivered and that can only help build the satisfaction of the customer who pay the bills. Building a following and reputation for a soul night can be costly and time consuming this mechanic helps speed this process up. DJs - This will encourage a greater degree of professionalism and offer up some recognition for those who invest heavily. There is a widening gap between what is invested by many DJs and what income they can expect by way of fee from promoters. This provides a way for some, albeit non-financial, recognition to be had by those who follow an originals only policy. After all it must be annoying in the extreme to pay £400+ for an original "Rita and the Tiaras" only to have the DJ before you play the £5 "Joe Boy" copy. Collectors - Record bars are the place where most of the "Oh God I'm sick of hearing this" comments are heard. New and varied sounds on play lists is what many collectors want particularly if the latest sound to be broken or reactivated is one they own. Dealers - These have most to lose from the bootleg CDs or acetates made from mini-disk recordings of mega rare tracks. We often hear of the damage caused by bootleggers sometimes through "poachers turned gamekeepers". Whatever the rights and wrongs of this market, whether the CD are sold or given away this initiative will limit their use, publicly at least. Vinyl will be the only medium used, except where the recording was originally released only in an alternative format e.g. Ivan Matias "Somebody Knows How You Feel" on C.D. Original releases will form the content of all DJs sets. "Original" will include: · The first local and national U.S. label releases. · The first U.K. or foreign label release if contemporaneous with the U.S. release, e.g. The British Soul City release of Gene Chandler's "Nothing Can Stop Me" would qualify but not the British Soul City release of Jack Montgomery's "Dearly Beloved". · The first foreign label release where the track was not released in the U.S. e.g Doug Parkinson's Aussie release of "I'll Be Around" · Album tracks are permissible where they appear on albums released at the time of the original release of the 45 e.g. Ace Spectrum's "Don't Send Me Nobody Else" from the album "Inner Spectrum" is permissible however any track from a "Various Artists" album would not be allowed. · Acetates can be played but only if cut from original masters; EMI discs are not allowed. Who Can Get Involved? Promoters and DJs If a promoter chooses to operate an "originals" only policy they can become "Venue Members". This will entitle the venue to use the Soul Probity logo on their publicity material for events where they only use DJs who are current members of the Soul Probity scheme. If a DJ commits to an "originals" only policy he / she is eligible to become a member of the scheme and have the Soul Probity logo displayed after his / her name on any publicity material whether playing at a venue that is a "Venue Member" or not. "
  2. All a good part of my play box!
  3. Come on ETG, what about 9 more to get this back on thread!
  4. Like the Exploding Box Dance Rach?
  5. I sold a copy of that at Prestatyn this year.....
  6. Sorry for breaking the mould
  7. Very fair points...... all called R&B in the States before they were tagged Northern Soul over here. I should have asked "what are your top 10 RnB records that you like to hear in a main Northern Room".....(if any)
  8. ..and I didn't say that The Champion was bollocks either.......and it is RnB so there!
  9. Good point Shane...so easy to go off thread Well starting with my list how many would be in yours? I'm happy to remove "Sweeter...." but my ears and feet tell me that The Champion is RnB and not "Bollocks"
  10. Nice list Andy, but as you say not much hope of filling a northern night dance floor Is that a sample of what will be played at Blocked on Saturday night?
  11. Having just totalled them up I think I would be lucky to get change from £1500
  12. I guess you don't want to sell me your copy then as it's such a powerful weapon
  13. You wouldn't put it in because you don't feel it is RnB or it's not a top ten?
  14. What are your top ten RnB records that have crossed over to be Northern Soul floor fillers? I guess mine are: I Can't Please You - Jimmy Robins I Can't Get Enough - Johnny Sayles Sweeter Than The Day Before - The Valentinos What Good Am I - Mickey Champion Sippin' Sorrow - Pearl Woods My Baby Likes To Boogaloo - Don Gardner If You Don't Come - Patience Valentine The Champion - Willie Mitchell It's Your Voodoo Working - Charles Sheffield I'm A Big Man - Big Daddy Rogers How much change would I get from £1000 for that little lot?
  15. I'm after a mint copy of "Sweeter" The Valentinos and i'm happy to pay £100 for it...I saw a copy in a box at a local do about a month ago...no representation was made about condition but it was well and truly f**ked-label and vinyl...I wouldn't pay £10 for it let alone £100 being asked.
  16. Great track......
  17. I just love this guy!!!!! when is RnB northern soul.......
  18. well said stuart........and also a good number of records defined by some as Northern are RnB...
  19. I live in mid-herts and try to go to as many soul events a week as my body will allow. This week I've been to Soul In The City (London), tonight I am going to Westcott near Aylesbury for RSG and on Saturday I hope to get to Boogaloo in Greenwich (is that 5p off my entrance Warren?). I would like to go to Hitchin FC and Shake tonight but can't be in three places at once. I was at the Dome last friday and although numbers were light for a big venue I thought the place still had an good feel and top music including an hour of RnB at the end. I am married but separated, my two sons (20 and 18) live with me but don't object to me going out and coming home at odd times. Are there too many events on in London or is it that the the scene is past its sell by date?.... In general the events I go to outside London are well attended. I just think it's the London Soulie......use it or lose it! A big thanks to all you promoters out there who keep me off the streets at night.
  20. So does Dave have to hand over his copy of MD or not??....that will be 10 copies you'll have now P
  21. what would you like in trade??? pm me with your likes
  22. that's the third take that i'm after......pm me if you want to sell
  23. Sorry.....
  24. that 10p you've got must be worth a fortune......not released until 1971


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