Pete S

They only advertised it for the first time on Monday, it's not out for ages.

Looks great. Bought myself one as a present.

Most of them are worn because it was a big local hit. I had an EX one about 3 months ago and it was one of very few copies I've had in really nice nick

No that's not good enough anymore Dave, STILL nobody has come up with a picture or solid proof of there being a copy, I could tell you I saw a copy of Darrell Banks on London issue and swear it was true but I couldn't prove it. We both know vast amounts of people who have Pama pre's, and nobody has ever said they've got this record. It would have turned up by now.

This is the first part of what will hopefully be an interesting and exciting look at the history of Jamaican music from it's inception in 1958* when the Jamaican people began to make their own music available on vinyl, up until maybe 1970 by which time the music has gone through many different phases and the halcyon days are replaced by mundane roots music and string-laden pop reggae. Up until 1958, with the exception of some one off dub plates recorded specifically for sound systems, the music played in Jamaica was almost exclusively American - from Jazz to Rhythm & Blues. Jamaican musicians, as we will see, put their own spin on the New Orleans R & B sound, and Jamaica's first indigenous music made specifically by and for Jamaican people was born. But there are many, many websites where you can read about the music and the people that made it, my job is to simply bring you the music, so here is where it all begins. +++++ *During these podcasts, please don't take the dates as gospel, as many records popular in Jamaica weren't issued in the UK until a year or 18 months later, so dates on record labels can sometimes be misleading. +++++ THE STORY OF JAMAICAN MUSIC 1958 -1962 - SWEET BALLADS, RHYTHM & BLUES, AND THE BIRTH OF SKA +++++ Here we document the first domestic Jamaican productions, most of which are in either the R & B or ballad style. This is a long podcast and there's a chance you may become bored if you're hankering after the faster ska sounds, but a lot of this material stands up on it's own merits and is pretty enjoyable. By the time you reach the last four tracks of this show, you will be able to recognise the very beginnings of the Ska sound and notice the subtle re-arrangement of the New Orleans sound, invented by the musicians accentuating the offbeat - you'll see what I mean. ***** https://podcastmachine.com/podcasts/4425/episodes/27519 ALTON & EDDY - MY HEAVEN / LAUREL AITKEN - BARTENDER / THE BLUES BUSTERS - DONNA / LASCELLES PERKINS - LONELY MOMENTS / DERRICK & PATSY - LOVE NOT TO BRAG / OWEN GRAY & THE JETS - ROCKING IN MY FEET / THE JIVING JUNIORS - DEAREST DARLING / RICO & DUKE REID'S ORCHESTRA - DUKE'S COOKIES / LAUREL AITKEN - LOW DOWN DIRTY GIRL / CLANCY ECCLES - RIVER JORDAN / CHUCK & DOBBY - TILL THE END OF TIME / LAUREL AITKEN - JUDGEMENT DAY / THE FOLKES BROTHERS with COUNT OSSIE - OH CAROLINA / DUKE REID & HIS GROUP - PINK LANE SHUFFLE / DERRICK MORGAN - FAT MAN / HIGGS & WILSON - MANNY OH / OWEN GRAY - JENNY LEE / KEITH & ENID - WORRIED OVER YOU / OWEN GRAY - MASH IT (PARTS 1 & 2) / JACKIE EDWARDS - TELL ME DARLING / DON DRUMMOND & HIS GROUP - DON COSMIC / CLUE J & HIS BLUES BLASTERS - SALT LANE SHUFFLE / THE MELLOW LARKS - TIME TO PRAY (ALLELUJAH) / OWEN GRAY - ON THE BEACH / ROY & PATSY - MY HAPPY HOME / BILLY COOKE - IRON BAR (with King Stitt intro) / THE BLUES BUSTERS - LITTLE VILMA / HIGGS & WILSON - SHA BA DAH / RICO RODRIGUEZ & HIS BLUES BAND - BLUES FROM THE HILLS / THEOPHILUS BECKFORD - EASY SNAPPING / ERIC MONTY MORRIS - HUMPTY DUMPTY / PRINCE BUSTER - OPEN UP BARTENDER / RAYMOND HARPER - AFRICAN BLOOD. ******* Next Episode - 1963-1964 THE SKA TAKES OVER (I estimate that this series will run to 10 episodes: 1958-62 R & B, BALLADS 1963-64 SKA TAKES OVER 1964-66 RED HOT SKA (this will be in 2 parts) 1966-67 SOUL OF JAMAICA - ROCKSTEADY (another 2 parter) 1968 EARLY REGGAE BOSS SOUNDS 1969 MORE BOSS SOUNDS 1969-70 REGGAE HITS THE CHARTS 1970-71 DJ'S TAKE OVER I was only going to post one per week, so if you want the lot in advance on cd you'll have to bribe me LOL. At the end of this series you'll have heard around 300 of the most important and greatest records ever made in Jamaica)

Yeah I did thanks John and the top 30 was actually a top 100 I did, counting down from 100, in the form of 4 podcasts, not sure if the podcasts still work but the actual listings will still be on here somewhere

Hope you all enjoy this one cheers Pete https://podcastmachine.com/podcasts/4425/episodes/27504 Admittedly this is just a stop-gap to pacify my Northern Soul loving listeners while I am in the process of putting together a History of Jamaican Music and that’s taking up a lot of my time, but nonetheless, I think you’ll find this selection quite interesting. It’s mainly stuff that I’ve had in various folders on my pc meaning to do something with for a long time. Many are goodies unearthed by the boffins at Kent Records and now established favourites; some are from one off acetates; some are alternative versions of well known classics. Put it this way, it may not be another $30,000 worth of Northern Soul but you’re not going to hear many of these down at your local soul night. (A lot of these are old now but were unissued at the time of discovery hence me still using that description) ++++++++++ . THE FUNK BROTHERS – SWEET THING (Instrumental Version) / THE PLATTERS – NOT MY GIRL (Previously Unissued Version Of Johnny Hampton) / THE MAGICIANS – JUST A LITTLE FAITH AND UNDERSTANDING (Original Vocal Version Of Double Cooking) / UPTOWN ORCHESTRA – COME GO WITH ME (Backing Track To Gloria Jones 45) / BARBARA MERCER – MY DEAR HEART (Previously Unissued Version Of Shawn Robinson) / FRED SMITH ORCHESTRA – DON’T PRETEND (Instrumental Version. This Is Not The Well Known Cut That Simon Soussan Recorded Extra Strings On, It’s The Basic Backing Track From Acetate And Has Never Been Released) / JEAN CARTER – LIKE ONE (Previously Unreleased Alternate Version) / THE GYPSIES – IT’S A WOMAN’S WORLD (Alternate Version) / THE WAN R&B ENSEMBLE – HAND IT OVER (Instrumental Version Of Chuck Jackson 45) / LITTLE ANN – WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL (Unreleased Topper 45 / SANDY’S BAND – TOUCH OF VENUS (Instrumental Version) / THE PERSIANETTES – RUN, RUN (Magnificent Unissued Swan Recording) / DANNY MONDAY – BABY WITHOUT YOU (Alternate Version) / VIVIAN CARROLL – OH YEAH YEAH (With Long Intro) / VAL SIMPSON – IT’S JUST LOVE (Publishers Demo Of John Andrews 45) / DEAN COURTNEY – TODAY IS MY DAY (Previously Unissued Rca Recording) / THE CAMP (VAL SIMPSON) – MARCHING (Previously Unissued Vocal Version) / THE SAN FRANCISCAN TKO’S – MAKE UP YOUR MIND (Kent Anniversary 45) / DEON JACKSON – SOME DAY THE SUN WILL SHINE (Unissued Carla 45) / SHARON SCOTT – PUTTING MY HEART UNDER LOCK AND KEY (Previously Unissued Rca Recording) / BERNARD WILLIAMS & THE ORIGINAL BLUE NOTES – NEEDLESS TO SAY (Unissued Alternate Version) / UNKNOWN ARTIST – THE CLOCK ON THE WALL (From Uncredited Acetate) / DIANE LEWIS – YOU AIN’T GO A CHANCE (Cover Up – Real Artist Unknown) / KENNY CARTER – WHAT’S THAT ON YOUR FINGER (Previously Unissued Rca Recording) / CHRIS BARTLEY – I GO OUT OF MY MIND (Acetate – Possibly Eddie Kendricks) / LOU JOHNSON – THE PANIC IS ON (Previously Unissued Version Now Available On Kent Cd).

I think my favourite on Pama is Monty Morris - Say what you're saying and it's fantastic B side but there's not a lot of great jamaican stuff on Pama as they put most of it out on their many subsidiary labels. Without wanting to start up an old argument again, if the Volumes "Just can't help myself"/"One way lover" had actually been issued on Pama like people say it was, that would have been my nunber one. But it wasn't, so it isn't.

You didn't miss it, it never happened because Richard became and still is seriously ill so it's just on the backburner until he's able to join the forum again. He says your sandwich might help him recover

Best of the Pama soul 45's - Betty Lavette - Feel Good All Over / Only your love can save me....oh and the vastly underrated Blossoms - Stand By.

You know what I mean though. Everyone has a few records they just don't like or don't get. This pedestrian 70's snorefest is one of mine.

Wouldn't pay a tenner for it.

I think Chapter Five because it took me so long to get it; the others, well Willie Tee is in my top 10 ever, the rest, I just like them and would rather keep them rather than take the few quid that they are worth. I remembered another one I kept, Bruce Scott - I Made An Angel Cry, another one that I just really like.

The last $5 record I got was actually hand delivered to my door by Frank Wilson and Don Gardner, I couldn't believe my luck!

Ask him why he charged so much when he using second hand material and tell him you'll be leaving appropriate feedback, and he's a robbing c*nt.

I bought a job lot of records off this guy on ebay, this is going back about 8 years, early days; you could only see the top record on the pile and I'd asked him if the rest were any good and of course he said they were, so I paid him $100 or whatever it was, anyway when they came there was one good record (Find Yourself Another on Bo Mar) and the rest was utter shite, not even soul, about a third of a way down the pile was an original International GTO's "I love my baby" (Rojac) which I sold the same day for £250

I think perhaps he wants a discography for the Debonair record label. Sorry, can't help, I think I have one on the label (San-Dels?)

JUST THESE THREE TODAY FOLKS... THE VALIANT TRIO - I'LL MAKE HER MINE - E V RECORDS EX- 100 Rare Detroit 45, I think this was on the Goldmine compilation cd Soul Of Detroit many moons ago. First one I've ever had. Nice clean copy with a few very light pops, hardly noticeable hence EX-. Books 175. THE PETS - WHAT KIND OF GIRL (DOES HE THINK I AM) - MGM EX 45 Nice girl dancer, rare issue in great condition PATTI AUSTIN - LEAVE A LITTLE LOVE - CORAL DEMO EX+ 100 Brilliant, like all of her Coral singles. I'll do free post on these today ok. cheers Pete

I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying that that is the sort of thing that people who are not on this forum look at and think - my God, I'm glad I'm not involved. It may be, whats the word, an oxymoron(?) but Northern Soul doesn't necessarily have to equate to SOUL per se, there are hundreds of great Northern Soul records which aren't soul, and thats why we should be able to say that we like the other version of That Other Place without fear of retribution! Duffy can't sing to save her life and her record was terrible and only linked to NS by the fact it had a retro sound and some NS dancers in the video. The Susan maughan record is a good midtempo dancer. OK put it another way, I've only saved about 6 records from my UK collection (I sold my Chapter 5 on friday) and they include Esther phillips "just say goodbye", willie tee "walking up a one way street", Manchesters Playboys "I feel so good", benny Spellman "Fortune teller", Jimmy Beaumont "You got too much going for you" and Susan maughan "That other place". The rest have gone.

This was an Alan Rhodes spin from late 77, he really did try to get it going but I think he gave up after maybe 6 months of lukewarm reaction to it. I remember it being 'ok' but didn't like it much back then. I do now. Not sure what happened after that but it certainly did go big in the 90's.

There was some stupendous music made in the 60's, I've got some 25,000 tracks in my itunes and 15,000 of those must be 60's, I'd say only 20% if that are soul music, 60's pop music is just brilliant. Girl groups, psychedelia, freakbeat, harmony pop, Beatles and so on...music that'll last forever. It's not a crime to love 60's pop music as well as soul.

Allelujah, thanks Jim. There's another record, Leonard Whiting (on Pye) doing a cover of Walter Jackson's Thats What mama Said, now nobody in their right mind would say Leonard Whiting can hold a candle to Walter Jackson vocally, but the arrangement of the record is better on the UK one than on the US one, so I prefer that version. It's not a hanging offence.

And that post is exactly why a lot of people think Soul Source is full of up-there-own-arses soul snobs. Nice one. Tell Dean Parrish he can't sing soulfully, I dare you. Hey guess what, it may amaze you to discover that a lot of people actually like and enjoy other types of music other than soul, 60's pop included.

Sorry, I prefer the 'pop' version. When it comes to Northern Soul I don't see the colour of peoples skin. I like the original, I like the cover, I prefer the cover because the arrangement is better.

No it's the 'if it wasn't for' bit, the Susan maughan is a great record in it's own right, Wade Flemons or not, if I'd never heard WF I'd still like SM so (in my opinion) it does have it's own merits.