Pete S

Thanks Chalky that means a lot actually.

I try and do as little selling on ebay as possible to be honest, I prefer to buy my reggae on there but sell records privately. And things like this, and a couple of incidents last week, convince me I'm right.

There's nothing to settle though, he got the money back and there was never any danger that he wouldn't.

Bob, if you read that back, that was nothing to do with Ebay, that was him keep sending me PM's on soul source and I'd had enough of them, I was saying I'd report him to soul source moderators for harrassing me, not Ebay, in the end I just blocked him. DSR - yes, the item as described category has been hit.

Sorry Chalky, I apologise. But you can see that throughout those conversations I have constantly been 100% truthful, I answered every question about it, I also explained that an original would cost £200. he got his money back, I was polite throughout, why leave the neg? I mean the final indignity was that I had to pay customs charges on the bloody thing.

Chalky you're so predictable, the first post even slightly disagreeing with me and you're the first to like it.

I did say 2nd issue not 2nd pressing if that makes any difference. How many times did I have to tell him it was NOT AN ORIGINAL?

Sounds a bit too complicated for my rather confused brain to get around Joe, too legal for me I think, I wouldn't know where to start - or where to send it! But thanks for your help.

But how could someone mistake the words 2nd pressing for "original" and pay loads of money for it? Also, who decides whether something is a boot or an official reissue. THese records came out 30 years ago. Say something like, er, Paula Durante - You're Not My Kind. Pressed in 1975. Has stamped matrix. Is it a legit rerelease or is it a bootleg? I don't know - but I'd describe it as a 2nd issue or a reissue so that people didn't think it was an original. The people being sly are the ones who don't put anything about it being not the original and leave you to do the detective work.

Blimey how would I even start to go about that?

It does make you want to stop selling on there doesn't it. Thing is, he could have bought it off me on soul source for £30 - it was listed on here and still is. So everyones seen the correspondence, Neil R says it's a legit reissue, so basically I've been accused of fraud and everyone can see that because of the ebay feedback comment, which can only be removed by the buyer and not ebay!

Yeah I've got the paperwork to do this.

I'm sure he'll tell us later. It was start price £25 buy it now £50. But I said he could have a refund. You've all seen every bit of correspondence between us, and the only question really is, how did I keep my temper! And all this while we were awaiting Dee's test results, yes what a smashing week I had.

And here's what I suspected all along from someone who would know From: NEIL RUSHTON <neilrushton2@btinternet.com> Reply-To: NEIL RUSHTON <neilrushton2@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:02:42 +0000 (GMT) To: "raresoul-owner@yahoogroups.com" <raresoul-owner@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [raresoul] Update... By the way Kelly Garett re-issue is legit.

I just want to cover all bases here, so here is all correspondence between the two of us. Once again, I’d like to know what I’ve done wrong here. I even offered to give him some postage back! From: mayfairmenthol To: tapes Subject: mayfairmenthol sent a message about KELLY GARRETT — LOVE’S THE ONLY ANSWER — SMASH #110967222886 Sent Date: 22-Oct-12 11:20:54 BST Dear tapes, Brian, many thanks for buying, if you let me know when the record has arrived, I will refund some of that postage, it is hideously expensive to post outside of Europe nowadays. Record will be posted this afternoon. Many thanks, Pete mayfairmenthol ******************************************* From: tapes To: mayfairmenthol Subject: Re: mayfairmenthol sent a message about KELLY GARRETT — LOVE’S THE ONLY ANSWER — SMASH #110967222886 Sent Date: 22-Oct-12 14:25:05 BST Dear mayfairmenthol, Just to make sure this is not a repro or boot, right? In other words a legit second pressing. - tapes ********************************************* From: mayfairmenthol To: tapes Subject: Re: mayfairmenthol sent a message about KELLY GARRETT — LOVE’S THE ONLY ANSWER — SMASH #110967222886 Sent Date: 22-Oct-12 14:53:02 BST Dear tapes, Yeah they wouldn't risk reproducing the Mercury / Philips copyrights. Plus the sound quality is outstanding. Something like Burning Bush which was a Mercury release, was issued on a label called Contact with no attempt at an official release, AS FAR AS I KNOW this is a legal reissue like The Present, Susan farrar, Chalfontes etc. mayfairmenthol ********************************************* Dear mayfairmenthol, Is the copy you sent me a vinyl copy or styrene? tapes ****************************************** From: mayfairmenthol To: tapes Subject: Re: mayfairmenthol sent a message about KELLY GARRETT — LOVE’S THE ONLY ANSWER — SMASH #110967222886 Sent Date: 04-Nov-12 10:14:58 GMT Dear tapes, Not arrived yet? It's vinyl. mayfairmenthol ***************************************** Dear mayfairmenthol, The vinyl copies are reproductions and not originals. Therefore, I am requesting a full refund. tapes **************************** Now switching to Soul Source messages Sent 04 November 2012 - 12:46 AM What do you mean by a pressing...bootleg? I bought a copy from you on ebay you said was an original second pressing by smash. What is this one? Is the one sold on ebay a boot? Is it vinyl or styrene? I need to know ASAP Sent 04 November 2012 - 10:17 AM Brian, you've already asked me and I answered it in detail. Pressing is a cover all description to describe records that are not originals but were pressed for the Northern scene. Some are legitimate, some are semi-legitimate, and some are just out and out bootlegs. Not sure what difference vinyl or styrene makes though? Sent 04 November 2012 - 12:29 PM Pete, I asked that because according to John Manship book the vinyl pressings are boots. You still did not answer that question yet either. Is the copy you sent me vinyl or styrene? Brian I replied to your ebay message, it's vinyl. Manship's book says 'repro', not boot. Whats going on here Brian, I described it as a second issue, it was clearly marked as that, you saw the description, you got a second description from me and you saw a photo, which looks nothing like the original, the original costs £175 to £200. n.b. if you don't want it just send it back when you get it and I'll refund all your monies Sent 04 November 2012 - 02:40 PM Ok. Refund all my money back. I will refuse the package and it will go back to you. Thanks, Brian That might take a while if you do that though as opposed to post it back. Sent 04 November 2012 - 02:57 PM I will ask that question at the post office tomorrow and If it it's a lot longer I will post it back. When will you process the refund? When I get the record back! Sent 04 November 2012 - 03:00 PM Ok, I can't do anything until I go to the post office tomorrow. I'll let you know what I decided to do. Brian I'm sorry if I seem a bit confused here but why don't you want it now? There is no other way of getting it apart from on the 1967 original, unless you buy one of those crap £10 carvers. This is off the masters and is perfect quality. Sent 04 November 2012 - 03:10 PM I think it's a boot or whatever you want to call it. Also, I'm not thrilled about my question whether it's a vinyl or styrene pressing answered. I will wait for another one to show up. Is the one you sent me the same as the one you are selling here? I saw the question at about 11am this morning on ebay - I replied to it straight away that it was vinyl- what more did you want? Selling here, you mean soul source? Yes that was the original listing, but after 2 days I put everything on ebay. Sent 04 November 2012 - 03:17 PM I did not see your reply as I turned my computer off soon after and went out. Yes, I meant soul source. Thanks for letting me know that it's a vinyl copy. I believe what the John Manship book says that this is not an original pressing, but a boot. That is why I want a refund. I'm not arguing about a refund but it's not an original pressing Brian, I never once said it was, it's a second issue, a reissue, a pressing, a repro, a re release, whatever you want to call it - I've never said it was an original. Where did I say it was an original? The original doesn't have the Mercury logo on the label for a start. My ebay ad says: KELLY GARRETT — LOVE’S THE ONLY ANSWER / KNOWING WHEN TO LEAVE — SMASH. 2ND ISSUE. MINT Sent 04 November 2012 - 03:29 PM Your ad is very short and you stated it's a second pressing which I believe there never was an official second pressing/issue by Smash. A boot is the same as what you call a second issue. Are you disagreeing with the John Manship book? A boot is not the same as a second issue. I just sold a Shane Martin second issue. I described it as a second issue. It was licensed from Columbia Special Products, using the original masters. It's not a boot. Anyway this is going nowhere, when I get the record back I'll refund the money. Sent 04 November 2012 - 03:48 PM Ok, I still believe this is a reproduction and not an official re release by Smash/Mercury. You still did not answer the question about the position with the John Manship book about the vinyl pressing. I'll let you know the outcome tomorrow when I talk to the people at the post office about the time frame of it's return to you. But whats Manship got to do with anything, he didn't know Edward Hamilton had been bootlegged until I showed him one, his book says 'vinyl repro', which it is. Sent 04 November 2012 - 04:04 PM Ok, I do not care what else he does not know only what is true now. Nobody knows everything. If you told me this when I asked you before it was sent I would have asked you to cancel the transaction immediately and avoiding all of this. Brian again, immediately after the above This record was released late 1968 not 1967. Brian again, immediately after the above I disagree with you saying that originals do not have the Mercury logo on them. They do! The stock and the demo copies have it. What are you talking about? Me, Sent 04 November 2012 - 05:39 PM Will you give it a rest, the conversation is over, I agreed to give you a refund even though it's not my mistake, it's yours, so don't send me another message or I'll report you. So that’s the entire conversation over Ebay and Soul Source messages. Enthralling eh?

I am sure "Briank" will be here later to deny any of what's been said, fortunately I have copies of all correspondence which I am happy to provide for anyone to see. Nowhere did I claim the record was an original, and nowhere was I rude to the buyer. They have you over a barrel with the threat of negative feedback. Ebay say they are powerless to remove the feedback but I can fill in a defamation form. The only way the feedback can be changed is by the person who left it. Great.

Thanks Paul, already rang them, they say they can't remove the negative but might be able to remove the comment if it's defamatory - the comment said I sold a reissue as an original, which I plainly did not and only the person who left it can do anything about it. Why is it that they all come out on Ebay? I sell on Amazon, I've sold over 300 cd's on there and have had ONE complaint, someone was upset the four spokes were missing from the centre of the cd case otherwise, every cd delivered, fantastic feedback, but you get on ebay and people are out to screw you and con you, and then of course there's the old "this record is of lesser condition, I'd like a partial refund". We need to root these people out, both buyers and sellers, my post here today will hopefully do something about one of them.

This guy, Brian Kirschenbaum, on here as BRAINK, on ebay as "tapes" people please beware if you ever come across him because he's made the past 2 weeks a misery for me, clueless people armed with Manship books are dangerous. I advertised a kelly Garrett - Loves The Only Answer - Smash reissue on ebay, plainly described as a 2nd issue, which as we know is an all encompassing term for a pressing. He buys it on a buy it now, then after he's bought it, he starts asking questions like is this a reissue or an original 2nd issue??? So I reply that to the best of my knowledge, it's a sanctioned reissue as I doubt if they would be bold enough to use the Mercury logo if it were an out and out boot. I don't know of another boot on Smash, but there are several 2nd issues. Also, I wasn't there when they were made, so how should I know, really? I just answered honestly. Then, before he receives the record, he starts bombarding with emails and messages asking if it is an original reissue (?) and is it on vinyl or styrene because Manships book says it is a repro. I'm never claiming it to be anything else. So I say send it back and you can have a full refund, there was never any doubt that I'd do this, I'm easy to deal with and just send it back if not happy. He then goes on to tell me that I lied, that ALL second issues are in fact bootlegs (this includes Columbia Special Products, Okeh legit reissues, Smash and Mercury legit issues) and I lied! Plus he sends me 7 messages via Soul Source in the space of about 3 hours, which force me to block him. Next, he returns the record, which I have to pay almost £20 charges on myself because he puts the full value. As soon as it arrives back, I refund his money. So guess what he does next, he leaves me a negative feedback " beware sells bootleg/repro sold as second issue-would not admit it was not orig. " I was just about to make 10,000 positive feedbacks and he's just ruined the lot, for absolutely no reason apart from to be vindictive. Firstly, it was him who decided to buy it not me, secondly I described it accurately, and thirdly I didn't even have to give him a refund by rights - and then he leaves sneaky, vindictive negative feedback. I never once said it was an original, if it were an original I would have not been selling it for £25 start price £50 buy it now, it would have been £175 buy it now. I NEVER said it was an original. But because Manships book says "repro", I get this sh*t. So thats it folks, please yourself if this is the sort of person you want to deal with, because I certainly don't. Fortunately I will send this out to over 5000 people later so people will know what to expect. If I"ve done something wrong, I hold my hand up, but how petty and pathetic can one person be? Does anyone have the phone number for ebay UK please?

I can sell anyone a mint minus yellow label one for £400 if interested. Or a black label one for £10.

Oh yes mate, so consistent, singer Leroy Sibbles not only wrote most of them, he also plays the bass on most of them (and hundreds of other Studio One sides of the time), absolute top quality stuff.

Ah did I miss one, that's The Heptones as well...

Yeah 15 - 20 on the Bonnie & Lee

Boot Steve, original is yellow

Happy to see Bob's Band - Locke's Theme - Atco finally make it to the guide! £70, about right.

Hope you enjoy this one, dominated by the Studio One sound especially The Heptones, but full of classic 60's rocksteady and a couple of very early reggae tunes too. https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2012-11-05T05_32_02-08_00 this is downloadable, link bottom left of page also available on mixcloud https://www.mixcloud.com/mayfairmenthol/some-serious-rocksteady-business/ KEN BOOTHE — THINKING / THE BASSIES — RIVER JORDAN / ALTON & DOREEN — I’M STILL IN LOVE / THE TECHNIQUES — IT’S YOU I LOVE / THE HEPTONES — WHY DID YOU LEAVE / THE HEPTONES — GET IN THE GROOVE / THE HEPTONES — LOVE WON’T COME EASY / THE GAYLADS — IF YOU KNEW / THE WAILERS — HYPOCRITES / BORIS GARDNER — A GROOVY KIND OF LOVE / LEROY & ROCKY — LOVE ME GIRL / THE HEPTONES — PARTY TIME / THE SILVERTONES — BUDDY BUM / THE HEPTONES — GIVE ME THE RIGHT / THE TARTANS — IT’S ALRIGHT / THE MELODIANS — SWING AND DINE / THE HEPTONES — A CHANGE IS GOING TO COME / DOBBY DOBSON — LOVING PAUPER / THE MAD LADS — TEN TO ONE / THE ETERNALS — QUEEN OF THE MINSTRELS / THE HEPTONES — TING A LING / THE SENSATIONS & BOBBY AITKEN — SWEETS FOR MY SWEET / THE GAYLADS — IT’S HARD TO CONFESS / BOBBY ELLIS — REINCARNATE / DENNIS ALCAPONE — BLESSED IS THE MAN