Pete S

Blimey, thanks for that Geordie, I was starting to think I was the only one who bought Soul Galore records in 1975.

"Yeah, when I was 15 I bought the odd pressing and I'm sure most of us did. We didn't really know any better then, though, did we? When I was a child I spake as a child and all that. This is about you selling them - the buyers have their own conscience to guide them, don't they"? I've got about 200 northern records in my collection, that's my own personal collection, I'd say 90% of them are pressings, I bought them to replace the originals which I sold to make a living on. That sounds like good business sense to me, not a childlike action. You are slagging off thouands and thousands of people who don't care anything about being elitist and having the record on the correct label. Like that Ty Karim record I got yesterday on Romark, I've got my own copy on some dodgy label, why keep a £500 record sitting on a shelf when there's a £15 copy already there. Let's say the people who make these records manufacture 500 of each title, they do ten titles, thats 5000 records. In 6 months time there will be maybe 50 of each title left on the market. That means over 4000 people bought those records. Are they all 'children', are they all pirates/leaches/ne'er do wells? No, they're just people who want to be able to listen to the record they danced to. Those people are the majority, you and the other soul police are a tiny minority yet you think you have all the answers and all those answers have to be right because - well, just because you say so.

Oh for goodness sake, did you ever see the Joker label perhaps?

Came out twice on Chess, gold lettering 8011 maybe 15 quid, 5-10 for the silver lettering reissue

Well the scond one is have Love Will Travel by The Sonics, there's a thread about it somewhere on the board

Why do you give up and what makes you so righteous then?

It's exactly the same thing - for instance, 3 records arrived this morning, Yvonne Baker, The Miracles and Jeanette Williams. I'm going to sell those records for 1000% more than they originally cost to buy and the artist is not going to see a penny, neither is the songwriter or the music publisher. It was made, it existed,it flopped, it died - 35 years ago. Thats the end of the story for that particular record. What happens later doesn't make any difference. What is the difference between me selling original records which the artists will not earn a penny from, and selling a bootleg of the same thing? If I was a punter, I'd just be happy to be able to own a record that was out of my league price wise on an original. Like I said, I don't make these records, I and everyone else sell them though, I'd just like to know what makes you think I owe a debt to someone who made a record 40 years ago and why I should even care about the multi-millionaire Berry Gordy not earning 1 cent for me selling an original WD of Whole Lot Of Shaking Going On In My Heart or a pressing of a record he deemed unfit to even release by The Originals. One more thing - these records are not counterfeits, they are vague lookalikes, they have totally made up catalogue numbers, they appear on labels that the originals did not appear on (Cause You're Mint on Neptune for example) and they are never passed off as originals. You are talking about counterfeiting records which I dislike as much as anyone else.

Ellusins was booted but it looks nothing like the original and is on styrene. I still don't think this record is worth more than £125 yet Manship lists it for £600!!!!! And if anyone says well how many times have you seen it, I'd say I've had between 8 and 10 copies in the last 10 years. There's 3 or 4 boots of the Superlatives, the one with the lines has been booted, at least I believe it has!

Well seing as Dena Barnes (gardenia barnes) co wrote her own record she's hardly likely to be a child is she, and Little Ann was 20 years old when she recorded for ric tic.

Here you go

Can't scan Steve but I can put a photo up, wait a bit..

No, neither, N4 was done but on black label, jerry Cook done as an issue

I never went to yate but it was crap

Neither of those were children perhaps???

It was but they a non-hit single for Apple before that I think

Hippo, love that Ducky & The Glowlighters, sold Andy Rix's copy for him last year for - can't remember - 800 or a grand...

I've got an issue of Ty Karim - You really made it good on Romark here - mint, except for one thing - a half inch crack! It's enough to make a grown man cry

I've got an issue if anyone wants it. Manships latest price for an issue is £150 I'd be 50 quid cheaper than that, how do these people get away with it?

You can't say that, it might be common now but it's still nicely made if you get the real stuff, the little attention to detail and that. Duffer must be heavily counterfeited as I see loads round here and most of them are too common to wear it. One True Saxon do me a favour, would you wear something with that tacky logo on

yeah I do know the source but I can't comment on it, I just sell them as I have to make a living as do every other dealer who will stock them and have/do stock the previous ones. I don't think they make a bit of difference as far as the price of the original is concerned. People are still going to pay big money for rare records. Where records aren't rare in the first place like green door or gayle adams, no change there either. As for ripping off the artists and writers - long forgotten 35 year old records which didn't sell shit first time round, 300 new copies, artists wouldn't see any royalties anyway. It's a drop in the ocean. But like I said, I was just asked if I wanted to stock some titles so I said ok.

Souldrop, I've got a promo reel somewhere with a couple of very early promos, you've probably got them though - I think one is Believe In Love. This is the same tape that the Flirtations promo for Heartache came from which everyones seen now.

TK Maxx have got some really nice Schott jackets, black zip up hoodies with white furry lining bit like a sheepskin...I bought one, brilliant for dog walking etc. this winter...retail about £125, their price £50. Sometimes you can find a bit of CP Company stuff as well but you have to look very hard for it.

Yes. Only seen 2, jackie edwards on a red and white island and lenny curtis on the blue End label - really good lookalikes - but all number details changed so there's no mistaking them from the originals