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MICK, whats a "rugy club"/ and is it frequented by rugy rats?. anyway, young ken will be used to mines where he comes from....guess your tin mines are now soul mines eh? ...................ANY RECORDS DOWN THERE? ROB.H ( ex- west midlander, now a yam-yam!)

HERE ENDETH THE SERMON!

loved this scene for nearly 40 years and have witnessed all of the greats and to be honest levine was sat on a pedestal at the time the cats dj blue max blew him away with tunes ian never knew existed, yet ian pushed the boundries at the mecca especially when opened the second front with what we now call modern/xover. richard searling became even more of a maestro as wigan came to a close...everyone was trailing in his wake and remember...he was there at the launch of stafford. ive been reliably informed that any notion of records frollicking with gay abandonment in his garage are pure fantasy....he's been to the mountain...why go back again?. the 100 club and kings hall stoke introduced me to butch, some ten years after stafford, a venue i sadly missed but i would assume that his colloection and statud as a dj had advanced far beyond any other and even now, he's quite possibly, one of only a few privalaged people who can produced from the magicians hat, tunes that no-one has ever heard of or simply dont remember. love ginger taylor to bits!, the gift of the gab, to me , is a pre-requisite of any djs standing on the scene....any tom,dick or harry can stand on a stage and spin tunes but what really cranks people up and makes them crave to dance is someone telling you how much youre going to like this record....thats enough to invite you to get off your chair. ray also has the knack of taking a tune thats sitting on the fence, wavering between obscurity and popularity, and launching it into stellar orbit. seen kenny and kieth dj together a few times, kieth seems to have a penchant for tunes that are left-field....very much in the style of an evergreen soul sam...theres a man who has always been out on his own, never obeying the system or following the crowd. kenny burrell is the king of the big tunes and scotland to boot!, not to be underestimated with semi-knowns and obscurities either as i have witnessed in the big fella's playroom.always loved his sets at the ritz, particularly "rarest of the rare" on may day bank-holiday and rona dancing...superb!. lots of other hard workers that make this scene so colourful and diverse such as: nige brown, nige grice, pete eccles, julian bentley, baz maleedy, bob hinsley, robbo, flanny, sean chapman, dave rimmer, ade croasdel, mick smith, mick.h etc, loads too numerous to mention but they are all striving to play crackin' tunes and deserve our support. if you elect someone as a no.1, theyre there to be shot at, thats a burden im sure no one wants....lets face it, there isnt a person on this planet who has every single record that ever existed, and if they did, they'd never be able to play them all...isnt it better to have a myriad of djs all playing different tunes and all of us remarking how good the tunes are?. no number ones please,....just people wearing their hearts on their sleeves to please us, the dancers, with great music. rob.h

she'll be on emmerdale next....i dont watch that either!

fer fer fer ferlamin' eck granville...ger ger ger get the mm mop will yer?

no one ever needed to be "taught" how to dance...if its in you, it comes naturally....for generations some people have learned the art of dancing faster than others, particularly northern soul...I DONT KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ON THIS THREAD THINKS BUT SOME SMALL SCHOOL IS SMALL BEER COMPARED TO THE "SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE?" TRASH ON TERRESTRIAL TV...dustbin should've compared that!! rob.h

MELVIN DAVIS - YOU MADE ME OVER - INVICTUS/D - 30 WILLIE KENDRICK - YOU CANT BYPASS LOVE - RCA/D - 100 THE CASINOS - IF I TOLD YOU - DEL-VAL - 30 GLORIA JONES - FINDERS,KEEPERS - UPTOWN - 30 THE 5TH DIMENSION - TRAIN KEEP ON MOVIN - SOUL CITY - 30 DARLENE LOVE - TOO LATE TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY - REPRISE/D - 60 BARBARA WEST - CONGRATULATIONS BABY - RONN/D - 50 LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS - BETTER USE YOUR HEAD (WOL) - VEEP - 30 SAM ANDERSON & THE TELSTARS - STANDING AT THE EDGE OF THE SEA - DECK - 90 SPYDER TURNER - I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE - MGM/D - 80 THE FIDELS - IM GIVIN' YOU NOTICE BABY - DORE/D - 100 DEREK MARTIN - IF YOU GO - SUE - 50 THE AD-LIBS - THINK OF ME - KAREN - 40 LITTLE BEN & THE CHEERS - IM GONNA GET EVEN WITH YOU - PENNY - 30 GAIL WYNTERS - YOU DONT HAVE TO BE IN LOVE - HICKORY/D - 30 THE SPINDLES - TEN SHADES OF BLUE - ABC/D - 30 THE BUTLERS - LAUGH, LAUGH, LAUGH - PHILA. - 30 SAM COOKE - SUGAR DUMPLIN' - RCA (GER-P/S) - 20 BARBARA MASON - AINT GOT NOBODY - ARTIC - 20 ORTHEIA BARNES - TAKE MY HEART AND SOUL - CORAL - 20 BILLY BUTLER & THE ENCHANTERS - NEVERTHELESS - OKEH - 20 MARVELETTES - KEEP OFF, NO TRESPASSING - TAMLA - 10 JR. WALKER & THE ALL STARS - COME SEE ABOUT ME - SOUL - 10 MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS - SHOW ME THE WAY - GORDY - 10 THE JAYBIRDS - THE RIGHT KIND - SUE (WOL) - 80 IKE & TINA TURNER - SOMEBODY (SOMEWHERE) NEEDS YOU - WARNER BROS. - 70 LEVI JACKSON - THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY - COLUMBIA - 70 FREE - TAKE IT AWAY - PHILIPS - 60 THE FASCINATIONS - GIRLS ARE OUT TO GET YOU - MOJO - 10 FRANKIE VALLI & THE FOUR SEASONS - THE NIGHT - MOWEST - 10 SAM COOKE - ITS GOT THE WHOLE WORLD SHAKIN' - RCA - 10 THE TAMS - HEY GIRL, DONT BOTHER ME - AMPAR (OZ) - 20 DORIS TROY - ILL DO ANYTHING - MOJO - 10 YVONNE BAKER - YOU DIDNT SAY A WORD - LONDON (RED DEMO) - 20 RAZZY - I HATE HATE - MGM - 10 JACKIE WILSON - BECAUSE OF YOU - TRENTHAM ANNIVERSARY DISC - 10 AD-LIBS - NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING ALONE - SHARE/D - 30 CHEQUES PLEASE FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ALL RECORDS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION AND PLAY WELL.

marion ryan, mother of paul & barry, british mid/late 60's duo. this version briefly played around same time as robin wilson on A & M. gladiators version of detroit spinners. both records have their place in uk collecting if you're not specifically looking for the obvious dancers, prices minimal. rob.h

ive seen shed loads of motown singles, all a quid each in a box at local record fair this morning...that was amongst them, several copies of newby & johnson...even a mint william bell "trying to love two" on uk mercury....well, this is sleepy shropshire you know!...oh, and tom jones lp containing "i get carried away"....DONT KNOW ABOUT RECORD FAIR...MORE LIKE INDOOR CARBOOT, ITS A JOKE!...ken got it right about people having more money than sense. WOULD YOU ALL AGREE THAT FULL FRONTAL LOBOTOMY HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED HERE?. ROB.H

Anoraks ????? How dare you sir !!!!! Old soul dinosors yes but Anoraks never,hard core soul lovers yes, In answer to your question Rob h,As of this moment we know that Tom still lives in Letchworth(i may add here a very fine soul town indeed),and with any luck contact should be / will be made in the next few days.......then it will be down to Tom on what he wishes to do with the footage etc. This is not a pop at you Rob h but Anoraks is a deffo no no,lovers of soul music yes,a few wonderfull people hav come out of /live in Letchworth area,a few here Mick Smith,Dave Killworth,Taffy etc etc the list goes on,we were there at the roots Toby

HELLO.....SEEN THE FRONT PAGE MIKE.....am i surprised or not?. considering i put the post up no more than 10 days ago about how we should all search our drawers, wardrobes, garages and attics for wigan memorabilia and should the notion of unseen film footage be filed under the subject: paranormal, this pops up. well i can see at a glance that it takes a woman's touch to inspire people so maybe i should change sex e.g. debs already has countless pics attracted to her post and apologies, as i didnt realise that was already in place. nevertheless, there is a burning issue for all to witness now....that of the unseen 2 hours worth of outtakes that genuinly exist. why then, have these not materialised on this dvd...the whole package instead of the flogged-dead-horse-30 mins that even god must have got tired with? or is the saving grace, the fact that our advanced technology has presented us with a remastered master that should keep the masses quiet....no i dont possess it yet and the apparent glossy presentation does appeal, but im spouting because theyve presented the ammunition visually and if its not me who critises the same ole, same ole, then it will be somebody else wont it? ill buy it, but i wont be the only one screaming mark lester's immortal words "please sir,...i want more" SO.....you home counties anoraks......JUST WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS INDEPENDANT FILM FOOTAGE THATS ABIDING IN,...DID YOU SAY LETCHWORTH?, has anyone located the man and his movie?. rob.h

WOW! just thought of a brill one and it fits with the day as well......BETTYE SWANN - "I WANT SUNDAY BACK AGAIN" you better believe it vol.2. well done richard searling! AND!....TOWER OF POWER - "SO VERY HARD TO GO" both wea classics. sorry not a sound clip geek!, sure somebody else could put them up though. rob.h

on behalf of may and myself, i would like to thank dave, martin and tony for allowing us to share with you the service in memory of marge. i am sure that all of our mutual friends who attended yesterday will wish to pass on their personal messages to the family this way and that dave and the lads can take great comfort from knowing that they have the support of their friends at all times. may and rob.

bbbbbbby eck arkwright...tha'll need soothin haaaands of gladis emmanuel to help thee get ooooover passin on tha sssssounds! ggggggranville ( rob.h)

it certainly brings it home dosnt it?. the clincher is you just dont know when your number is up and for whatever unexpected reason. i know it dosnt just break your kins hearts but the many friends youve made down the years feel like a bombshell has hit them. this month is traumatic, to say the least and tomorrow at marge's funeral, the stress and the personal turmoil will show. the comments are spot on...a record collection NOW, as opposed to 30 years ago, is a valuable asset, much in the same way as antiques...and should the worst come to the worst, if it benefits the well being of your nearest then you just have to take the necessary steps to make sure your loved one/s get the maximum financial payback that theyre worth...it can be a brilliant insurance policy, difference is youre the sole broker and no company gets there hands on anything. rob.h

wish i knew as well mate, think he has one as he used to talk about emailing peoplewhen he was on smooth but, then again, he may have done that from the studio...even ginger dosnt bother with these things. rob.h

bloody hell mike, you cant be serious?. ill tell you now in the 70s/80/s a typical exchange and mart couldnt sell you one of these for 10p....honestly....there were 1000's of copies. then tobi bowe came to prominence and all of a sudden there was a suitably inexpensive version available that no-one ever wanted, unfortunately, as so often is the case....shops close, junk shops become a thing of the past and car boots are flogged to death and besides that, those 1000's were probably skipped as well....which leads us to present day and...well, well, well, how the worm has turned!. personally, i have always preferrred mamie lee's version...tobi bowe's is a pale comparison but obviously rarer. never mind! get it while you can because soon itll become another auction item. rob.h

cheers mate, if you've been following this, a lot of people have posted photo's and more people need to be made aware of this fact. its getting close to 2000 views however, its essential that more posts are made. id hate to think that a large proportion just cant be bothered because they figure they've seen it all before. i have to reference back to my initial comments about whats staring us back from our bookshelves and it aint the whole story. consider the fact that we are witnessing a dismaying loss of people we love and cherish, many of them long time soulies...its ironic we may never know what treasures of the scene they've left behind...close family and friends may consider these of little relevance...so its too late to step in and save them. were all gonna be in that situation sooner or later and thats not nice....so it would be great for the majority who were involved in the history of the casino to share something special that other generations can look at in wonder. the history of wigan casino in photographic and literal form in the shape of a definitive book is the only thing we have missing to complete to circle, to bring us all together. hopefully, critical film evidence will emerge in the course of time but it cant wait forever. rob.h

appologies john, missed your mail, but one i cast my beady eyes over was a demo keele xmas 2007 so i was a year out, didnt realise it was that long!. then last year j.m. had one @ auction and the sound clip was pristine!!....never seen an issue. anyway, how are you and your family? all well we hope may and rob

italian pic sleeve 45 only quite rare, j.m. auctioned one last year but it can be found elsewhere around £150. the lp is a fraction.....same story with oz rareity marcia hines....single on wizard impossible, lp $20! rob.h

right on bro! thats the ticket, everyone get off their backsides and keep coming up with ways to chisel out the nuggets, a flyer would certainly help, even if its just photocopied.

Can i add fuel to this fire if you please...it may or may not have escaped wiganite's attention but december 2011 sees the 30th anniversary of the closure of the casino, another means by which to put this project into perspective. youve had celebratory cds and records and revival all-nighters...isnt it right there should be THAT BOOK, THAT FILM, THAT LIVE RECORDING?. it not only completes the circle, it confirms to the faithful that the casino fulfilled our musics aspirations to be recognised and everything that has come and gone since has been inspired by wigan's breaking of the mould, bringing northern soul to the attention of a global audience. rob.h

over 1500 views...good keep it going and more posts please. the subject of tapes: i reason a small proportion would have got: trashed chewed lost erased etc., lets say for instance: 10,000 still exist and amongst them several 100 have good audible quality...in other words you can decifer the tunes and the djs amongst the distortion, then, lets say at least one person has a complete set of tapes pertaining to one whole all-nighter....and this could be cleaned up in a hi-tech studio...voila! a live performance at wigan casino.it could be on any given night in those eight years but wouldnt that be something....another record to savour. so, everybody on the planet....re-evaluate what you have in your posession and see if it corresponds!. rob.h

hi steve, absolutely no quarrel with the valid points you and jez have put. i think the twist is there though, and dont get me wrong....i loved the cats....theres an arguement in there that wigan was responsible for its demise, but the council had other plans for the piece of land it stood on anyway. as it is we were so young, just starting out on the scene that is so little to reference other than peoples memories....add to that, the sad fact that so few people who went to our preliminary venues are still on the scene and,...many sadly departed, the best way to gauge the scene in depth....and remember this is only my view....would be to concentrate on the venue that took our scene to a higher plain, with bigger attendances, breaking more records, making the scene more socially acceptable and, where the vast majority of memorabilia has been created necessary to make a "project" like this possible. im stating the obvious, when i say to you im no expert and it is a monumental undertaking but because its wigan we have the necessary tools to work with that were not even thought of or contemplated as being significant where our other magnificent heritages are concerned. i'll put this into perspective if you like: neil rushton will probably bear me out on this one...i know of only one person ( who i havent met in over 30 years) who took a "set", yes, set of photographs at the catacombs. his name was graham hawkins....they were in COLOUR!. outside of that, the only other tokens were the adverts in the express and star and the memberships. i cant vouch for the torch, wheel, blue orchid, mojo, dungeon, va-vas, night owl, kieghley, mr. georges, chateau impney...im not old enough...but ive heard of, and read about them with as much excitement as anyone else in their soul infancy and these venues get their due in many publications. please dont concieve that i am being biased towards a venue that i visited so little, im not politicising the casino like it was an election. the fact is, withstanding everything else it is our scenes greatest point of reference to the past...its where the scene took a giant leap forward from being a sub-culture to a global phenomenon and yes, all the trash, sneering remarks and press over-hype that it carried as baggage..... ITS LIKE THIS....IN THE A-Z THERES A "W" if you ask a soulie what sums up w....the answer would be: WIGAN...every time guys, im not here to argue with you, what i am saying is there isnt a definitive of wigan in hard cold currency that everyone can have right now because until WE make it so it dosnt exist!.whilst the tides in lets float our boats full of souveniers so they reach a safe haven coz when the tides out and were all long gone who's gonna be interested in the message in a bottle on the beach? rob.h

hi mike, back reading posts, think after almost a week people are getting the idea whats involved here anda seperate entity on soulsource where all the photographic evidence could be collated, including peoples identities is a concrete idea...plus testimonies as to when pics might have been taken. put this page/s under a working title which could also apply to a book. remember, tapes are a sountrack ( they were recorded live...yes?) whereas records are a response to hearing those tunes and the want and need of the soulfan to purchase them...yes?. finally, as far as the triumverate is concerned, cinefilm has to be the piece-de-resistance, the holy grail if you like, this is why i consider "the outsider" or the "ex-pat" to be a good place to hunt, folks who are no longer on the scene or gave up when wigan closed and emigrated or the "tourist" who added it to their porfolio off the back of the casino/studio 54 battle 78....remember...who's the best in the world?. and yes of course, to put flesh to the bones, there are soulies in all walks of life in hi-tech industry who are graphic designers, dvd/audio sound specialists,book production,etc.....so with soulsource as the virtual source these people can come together under their various guises, to make reality happen...a book for the people, by the people....its not rocket science is it?. no one individual takes credit for it there's no financial ulterior motive, certainly not for me...this is something i would want to own....AND I CURRENTLY DONT HAVE...LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD. im building a nice little collection of books, mainly on motown but i want a wigan bible, not just casino, soul survivor, nightshift, they are individual testimonies that give you the taste for wanting more, something completist...if everyone provides their artifacts, thats their piece of the pie, no quibbling, no need or room for critisism. p.s. come on mike im dumb, help me here, what the bloody hell is feedback and where do i click on it and what am i supposed to do next? rob.h