Agentsmith

actually, a slight reappraisal on the artist's catalogue and i can also assure connoiseurs not grudgingly, ty karim's output PROBABLY is worth significantly more,....outrageous prices for items in infinitely minute quantities but all knowingly brilliant and a voice different in many ways from tobi's, a delightful little croak as compared to a warble...boy, if we could all just afford em, they'd be in our collections. perhaps we can persue this aside in another thread...suggestions please for other artists catalogues and collective values?

you're correct on that bro, ive the first book...i think when tim did the reappraisal a couple of years later the prices where closer to the mark, but we have to face facts, the market today is all over the place...but then its global isnt it?, it just goes to show how obsessed folks have become with collecting vinyl as it is, without doubt, SECOND ONLY to antiques as the most expensive past time on the planet....for the simple reason...these black shiny creations, wether vinyl or 78's, in 7" or lp format, are a unique antique marketplace theirselves. i would imagine that outside of actual supremely obscure record labels, tobi's resume is, more or less, one of the most priceless in existance...but, at the end of the day its whats in the grooves that counts and the lark & ledgend is a sound beyond comparison ( linda jones accepted ). heart of hearts dave, YOU WILL NEVER TIRE OF "TIME", because its "timeless",...the most evocative lyrics that can drive people to the dancefloor in a tidalwave.

disagree dave, couldn't be closer to the mark, so at present date someone's marking up a bigger profitt....and incidentally its £870 on j.m with 3 0r 4 days to go?....im rubbin' me hands.....paid £450 for an issue 6 years ago...minter off henry....wouldn't have got it any cheaper then and mr. atkinson cuts brill deals if i may say so. deffo worth the money in anybody's book if you've got it to spare. lets face facts here...it dosnt matter how you regard it personally as a played out tune....to the up and coming generations, thats not an issue....TO EVERY MAN JACK,...ITS LYRICALLY INSPIRING, ITS ORCHESTRATED TO KITCHEN SINK PERFECTION AND HOW MANY LARKS CAN TRULY MATCH THE VOICE OF TOBI?....PUT YOUR BOREDOM ASIDE CHILDREN AND JUST BE PROUD OF A TRUE "LEDGEND"

top man!, pmd you

i'll take the cynthia & imaginations if you still have it rob

i've loved this scene and the music since time began for the groundswell of us...that time began in the 70's....sadly, even back then, too many burned the candle both ends far too quickly along with the drugs so its not exactly like we're paying for it now is it?. of course it cant be ignored that well worn and much beloved faces & characters ARE passing over, im sure that if you could converse with any of their spirits, they would say that they didnt want to leave the mortal world at that certain moment in time...im just as sure they would also confirm that they wouldn't have missed a minute of the good times they DID have....and the moral of the story is....IF YOU AINT BOOKED YOUR TICKET YET, YOU AINT GONNA GET ON THE DANCEFLOOR UPSTAIRS.....ITS ALREADY FULL!!

considering director ridley scott was asked to orchestrate this project, it didnt match up to its billing as a day in the life of hundreds of people ( if it had been thousands, we would still be viewing it now! ), instead a decision appears to have been made to actually concentrate on about 7 or 8 human stories that could have fitted better into long lost families and just a mish-mash of flashing images pasted in between. so as it got to the end of the 90 mins, it was quite obvious there was going to be a sting in the tale...oh, and the bbc certainly knows how to concoct a sting...its midnight, just about the right time to intervene at an all-nighter and as is already obvious on here, a good many were gagging for the sequence where our music and people get a full public viewing....blinking is most definitely a frustrating thing....especially more annoying when THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING TO SEE!!. more fool us, thinking we were going to see something tangible and enlightening amongst a colloberation of typical everyday observations that one could watch on the evening news. guess we duped ourselves into expecting too much...well, there is one saving grace.....THE NIGHT THAT WAS FILMED WE WERE ALL ROYALLY ENTERTAINED BY REAL DANCING... NOT BLOODY COME DANCING!!

see,...this is what happens when mutual enlightenment prevails. people, willing to put aside their hardships and woes, or whatever personal predicament they have...or just purely out of human kindness and compassion and a devotion to the music and the artists they revere....final fitting closure and a place that can be visited and be instantly recognisable for future generations of pilgrims to the city who want to pay homage. this has been a just cause for steve mancha and his family...it should be the same for all of our unsung hero's, so here's to hoping that both uriel jones and lou pride gain similar and swift dedication.

one of the holy grails of the northern scene and one of the most underated voices of all-time, paired together= unequivical dynamite...THE RECORD THAT DRIVES A DANCEFLOOR INSANE! god rest your soul lou but not for too long brother....make em' have it in heaven!

wow!, just noticed the dorothy beery.....paid £100 for that recently..minter...for cryin out loud...why are prices so all over the place?

where's the album's availability please kris?

top memory bro, albrighton...what a venue, times right and corey glover massive manor tune as well, must mention that to steve jeffries...river deep was also a big torch play as well....so, lp value whilst we're at it please?

paul i know its a view of the casino under sad circumstances, but in the bigger scheme of things, these are important & valuable documents..its really amazing to see these pictures for the first time, let alone not knowing that they existed...well done mate.. ive said before that a concise photographic almanac is a must as a preservative for future generations who wont just be influenced by the music, but can get the feel for the legend by what they view and a better understanding of why so many hold it in such high esteem...regardless of its less than complimentary discription over the years.

shouldn't that be pisstime forum?

wooosh!...well done swifty gettin that clip up and i didnt realise the other tune was on it as well....WE ARE THE MODS!!!

lp only and its les mccann ( oops!) same guy responsible for river deep, mountain high on mercury... strange little girl - fine crossover tune!

prices please for "ZOLA" in its formats e.g. canyon lp, canyon 7" and french vogue 7"

you're right carl, its so all about a lasting memorial, these people have given their everything in the belief that someone will listen and millions have down the decades. to us in the u.k., its never been moreso....motown has been the most powerful virtuoso in the orchestral diversity of northern soul.

ed bishop - call me & willie mitchell, almost anything by him, all saxaphone driven records

correct, wasnt sure if he was still around, but thats put that to bed. just echoing back to pete's response..its seems incomprehendible that the combined efforts of a group of people, should reveal a lifetime's work, the worth of which, is priceless and they've nothing to show for it...i dont know if they were living literally hand to mouth on a daily basis, or rather their families were but what they were taking home really couldn't have been up to much. whilst i know that these guys did have formal education in one capacity or the other, they turned up in detroit from different corners of the usa, looking for work with music in their blood and gordy happened to be in the right place at the right time. i guess bank accounts simply didnt enter the equasion or they'd never heard of them...putting money away for a rainy day was probably irrelevant, compared to just existing and they had the distraction of living the dream, whatever they kept in their pockets was digested, drunk or gambled away during their years on the road and in house. its taken the realisation of folk who have no connection with them whatsoever, other than their mutual love of the music, to make sure they're not forgotten and in doing so, are giving the immediate relatives the opportunity to see closure on a sad set of circumstances.

YOU'RE SO ANORAK.......YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT!! :lol:

i think you illustrate a point that is quite easy to overlook, that all we see isnt necessarily what we get. in the 60's big bucks to these menial employees ( what im stressing here is that although they were seen as important for their creativity, when it came to the monetary pecking order they were "just staff" ) was probably nickels and dimes in a sense. some of the guys as is documented, left this earthly life in the wake of drug dependancy, they couldn't see their way through to making enough money to make a living and provide properly for their kin...or booze and their almost destitute, tragic demise is, to us a travesty...all the time we've been hero worshipping them, it aint paying the bills...but worse, their paymaster wasnt doing anything to rectify their situation. its a symptom all too familiar today, working long hours for comparitively low wages and little prospect of alleviating the fragile position. you know, the featured article intimates that there are any number of well known luminaries buried in the cemetary in unmarked graves, so its not an exageration to say that the relatives must be in such a poor financial circumstance, that it borders on humiliation that they cannot provide a lasting dignity for the deceased. when you consider that of the genuine original members, only three survive ( i believe ) jack ashford, bob babbit & and joe messina, it must seem inconsequential to them to be recieving royalties in their latter years when the truth of the matter is, they were deprived of it for decades,...and even then will the royalties be enough to support their next of kin?, whose going to be responsible for brokering a deal and for how many years would a deal be payable for?. they couldn't make it in life and in death, for their loved one's, its still a struggle to get recognition and be heard.

i think we'd all agree on that one pete,.....but to all intents & purposes it appears from personal affirmations by various members and accounts from the now, numerous publications that all point to the same thing,...that berry gordy was more frugal about the distribution of what makes people wealthy, that we could possibly ever imagine. there is no more stark contrast to the success that he achieved, than how he squeezed every last drop of genius from the obvious talent he had at his disposal. the lucrative arm, as cody black illustrated, most definitely avoided the musicians, despite the fear that they would take their wares elsewhere. this is where the biopic laid bare the brutal truth, that this organisation was literally running itself on a shoestring to get a hit. undoubtedly, gordy came out of it extremely wealthy, but at the expense and sadly, in some cases, the deprivation of the very people he relied on to create his sound and his fortune. afterall, lets remember...these were still BLACK AFRO-AMERICANS....even the artists who made it, had a long hard struggle what with racial segregation and the likes...only when motown was accepted as a middle of the road concept, did the outside world, in essence, turn a blind eye to the colour issue, opting to embrace the "in sound",...but it was still pasting over the inherent cracks. meantime the musicians were even worse off, bottom of the breadline. to everyone's detriment, the finishing line, that ray of hope, a paycheck for all the endeavour , came too late for all. i guess their greatest contentment was in the fact that alan slutsky stuck it out for 14 years to drag their story up by its bootlaces, culminating in a film, in recognition of their unselfish commitment to the cause, void of the remuneration they so richly deserved.

just been browsing the article on here and the attached tags from detroit.....its a sad but all too familiar representation of the day and age we live in, that a person who has given so much during the course of their lives, so unselfishly, can be interred with no visible testimony to his/her worth. such is the case in hand of uriel jones. now that tangible requisite is within reach and rightly & justly so,...our icons shouldn't be consigned to insignificance, when their work is done. here, is a man , quite without us realising for so many years, who has interpreted our musical soundtrack...his trademark now, instantly recognisable as we have come to read and learn. some of us were fortunate to see and hear the man perform some five years ago now...for me, those occasions were in manchester....a more fitting epicentre for he and his colleagues to demonstrate their unique sound, there couldn't have been. the funk brothers, were the exponents of the motown brand, that berry gordy could not do without. anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand what he meant by "its whats in the grooves that counts", for these guys gave his vision its originality. uriel jones was a kindred spirit amongst his worldly wise brotherhood, the foundations of heaven are shakin' under the strain of his incessant beats...of that there is no doubt, but he must be looking down with some trepidation that the human race can mark his passing with a resigned air of inevitability, not even a query as to who's going to pick up the tab for a slab of marble with his name carved on it. well, fortunately for this good earth, there are still some samaritans amongst us and the wrong is being put right, hopefully, others,...who doubtless are also our hero's, will recieve the same just recognition, eventually, the cemetary may become a focal point for pilgrims, much in the same way as detroit's historical motown museum. lets ALWAYS remember exactly WHAT motown is about and who the people were behind THE SOUND,...we owe it to them.

i was talking to richard about it last night, he didnt recall it at first but when i mentioned andy rix, he seemed to agree...know andy's on here, perhaps he can shed some light on the subject?