I believe the first came from a local Los Angeles record collector that gave it to a local collector/dealer to sell for him. The second (also from LA) was from a person's own collection that i believe was originally purchased in the 80's. I will leave names out but i'm sure everyone on here knows who i'm talking about. The two recent copies, my copy and another that went to Lew Stanley somewhere around 15 years ago makes the only 4 copies I've personally seen come out of Los Angeles in my lifetime. That's not to say there haven't been more, that's just my experience with that record. Anyway, i doubt copies have surfaced. At least not because of the recent copies that have turned up for sale. Hope that's helpful - George