Mace

Cus otherwise any Tom, Dick or Len can come one here posting soundfiles..... I expected much better from you Len, I really did....

Can we keep soundclips to OVO please......

6 pages on and I'm not sure the original poster (Dave Ward) ever came back after his first post..... Apologies if I missed another post......otherwise looks like we've all been sucked in again? PS Ray Agee is an. R&B record...end of chat

I wasn't considering the benefits in your favour......

I'll buy you one if you promise to get on it and do one for a while....

Ha ha......I'm guessing you had a tough time as a kid.....

So is it a Mod record now.......? Northern soul gets played at Mod events, so Ray Agee could be an R&B record by origin, subsequently tagged as a Northern Soul record, and ultimately tagged as a Mod record. It's the record that keeps on giving.....

Is it over....? Please tell me it's over....... Some fcuker lock the door whilst Lens out the room.....

I'm DJing at GoGo in May...come say hello and I'll play all your non-faves for ya....no dancing though, or pics will be posted!

Crossunder Pete. You're so yesterday......

You and Len should get together and put a night on........regardless of date I'll make my excuses now.... ;o)

Hows about Bobby Bland 'Shoes'....... ;o)

To be honest, I'm not sure what you guys actually expect an R&B tune to sound like.....I'm well aware that not all Northern records have backing vocals and string, but it was certainly this lusher sound that paved the way for Northern to create its own identity away from the gritty soul & R&B that was played at The Wheel......my point being that this record obviously doesn't fall into the typical Northern Soul category that most folk embraced to take the scene in a new direction. I'm also not disputing its soulful, but then again, plenty of R&B tracks are. I'm not niave enough to believe that you and Pete expect a typical R&B record to be along the lines of Sonny Boy Williamson or Howlin Wolf...but it confuses me how you cannot hear the gritty soul / R&B content in this tune?? Ah well, each to there own, but as mentioned above, this tune will undoubtably be played in the Pow Wow room at the forthcoming 2 room Allnighter coupled with Lifeline. The floor will be full of dancers on an R&B trip......if it gets played in the Lifeline room I'm sure the same would be true for a floor full of soulies. Perhaps we should celebrate that fact instead of squabbling over what our ears are telling our brains....however, as I'm younger than Pete I'm sure my hearing is better than his ;o)

I totally understand the need by some to stamp the Northern Scenes ownership of discovering such a record and creating its subsequent demand. No-one is disputing how this record became the holy grail it has to many collectors and DJs. All that aside, to dismiss it as having zero R&B qualities is quite bizarre. Are we listening to the same record? If it was a lush motownesque production full of strings and soulful harmonies I could totally understand this view....but it is undoubtably uptempo R&B....maybe more polished than other tracks Ray released, and obviously more soulful than the Blues tracks that he cut.....but we all know that R&B can have a gritty soulful edge and still maintain its identity as an R&B track. This doesn't steal anything from what the scene has created by discovering and unleashing this monster tune upon the masses, and likewise it shouldn't mask the true origin of wonderful piece of music just to satisfy personal memories of the good old days.....

Got a RIK 6 track 7" Ep (mini LP) of it...no sleeve if any use?

You're just in denial Len. Just in case your dyslexia kicks in again I'm not referring to the river in Egypt.... ;o)

£75 ish

Depends how you say it.....

He did however record a track called 'Monkey on my back'....the man was no fool, he covered all bases....

Ah, but I never said it couldn't be catagorised as both, I merely pointed out that it came from an orange tree so must be an orange....a fruit tree could yield a totally different product...the fact that it also belongs to the category of being a fruit is due to the way it grows, the fact remains it is by most accurate definition, an orange. It might also appear greenish in colour, due to not being ripe, so despite not BEING orange, it is stil an orange. Surely that rests my case in the matter...... ;o)

...and I'm not arguing, I'm stating facts.....just cus you won't admit defeat doesn't make it an argument...

Not exactly face to face is it.....? ;o)

Just applying the Sheep-Barn-Horse analogy Pete. I ain't point scoring, I don't care who played it first nor on what scene.......it's a fantastic uptempo R&B record....call it gritty soul if you like, but all said and done it is an R&B record that fits the criteria the Northern Scene demands. To dismiss this as 'Utter Rubbish' is just dummy spitting ....

Ring ring....ring ring... Ray Agee - Hi Ray Agee here, who's calling. "Hey Ray, it's your agent Simon, I need you down the studio straight away" Ray Agee - Why Simon, what's the rush? "I got this killer Northern Soul track for you to record" Ray Agee - What the fcuk is Northern Soul? "Not got a scoobie Ray, but it means your record will be worth thousands of dollars in years to come! Ray Agee - Woah, so I'm gonna be a rich Northern Soul Artiste of fame and fortune. "Actually you won't even remember recording it, and won't see a cent, but you owe me big time for convincing me to let you cut a disc by the title of 'The Wobble-Oo" Ray Agee - Well maybe that could also be a rare and expensive Northern Soul record in years to come? "Now you're just being a dick Ray, anyway, time is money so get your arse down here pronto' Ray Agee - Bollox......

Sorry, I thought we were discussing the ACTUAL genre of the music, not which scene was to first to adopt it as their own....nice to know it can be filed alongside Chapter Five, The Carstairs, J D Bryant and the Theme From Joe 90 as a music genre....