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Doug Banks - I Just Kept On Dancing - absolute dirge - as is Ain't That Just Like A Woman (though isn't that a different DB?) - and Romance effing Watson.
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PS Oh and I forgot sodding JD Bryant - sometimes records are rare because they deserve to be!
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Sounding brilliant - is it me or does the first track sound like Light My Fire combined with Spring Rain?
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Dave it's Peaches, it came with a 'blackmail' lettering sleeve.
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JJ gave him one as a wedding present last year - he has both the Dutch and rarer UK (there are only 6) copies - as well as all the stupid rare things like Bolivian test pressings of No More Heroes - the UK green sleeve of NMH is well over a tonne anyway (he had the worlds largest collection of Stranglers records at one point - 28 different copies of No More Heroes etc)... Owen is quite literally the world's biggest Stranglers fan, has seen them 350 times, runs their website, stays with them regularly etc etc
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Remember going in there with my little brother when he bought the rare sleeve release of No More Heroes by the Stranglers (withdrawn because it looked too much like a Sex Pistols sleeve) - or it might have been Girl From the Snow Country by JJ Burnell - the basist (either way it was one or the other very expensive piece of punkiness/frogery) - not my cup of tea.
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Amazing price for Tootsie Rollers - remember buying and selling this for under £20 on Me-O.
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Jimmy Hughes 'Slippin' Around With You'.. BRILLIANT LP only version.
Or better still Clarence Carter's ultimate version on 'Live At Sun City'.
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Here is the top 200 that Martyn referred to.
POSITION ARTIST TITLE1 WALTER JACKSON UPHILL CLIMB TO THE BOTTOM2 RUBY FEMININE INGENUITY3 TONY CLARKE A WRONG MAN4 GAY JAMISON STAY ANOTHER DAY5 MEL BRITT SHE'LL COME RUNNING BACK6 ROBERT PARKER CAUGHT YOU IN A LIE7 ROTATIONS PUT A DIME ON D9 (VOCAL)8 NOLAN PORTER IF ONLY I COULD BE SURE9 PATRICE HOLLOWAY LOVE & DESIRE10 JO ANN GARRETT A WHOLE NEW PLAN11 PERSIANS GEE WHAT A GIRL12 OHIO PLAYERS YOU DON'T MEAN IT13 LITTLE ANTHONY & IMPERIALS IT'S NOT THE SAME14 CHARLES JOHNSON I MADE A MISTAKE15 CHANDLERS YOUR LOVE MAKES ME LONELY16 ROTATIONS PUT A DIME ON D9 (INSTR)17 O.C. TOLBERT I'M SHOOTING HIGH18 NELLA DODDS HONEY BOY19 MILT MATHEWS TRUST ME20 JIMMY BEAUMONT ETC I NEVER LOVED HER ANYWAY21 HAROLD MELVIN & BLUENOTES GET OUT (AND LET ME CRY)22 ELBIE PARKER PLEASE KEEP AWAY FROM ME23 MARTHA & VANDELLAS CAN'T BREAK THE HABIT24 JIMMY CONWELL CIGARETTE ASHES25 TRANELLES BLESSED WITH A LOVE26 FALCONS STANDING ON GUARD27 DELLS MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO LOVES YOU28 SOUL COMMUNICATIONS THOSE LONELY NIGHTS29 PATTI HAMILTON MY BABY LOVES ME30 PEARL DOWDELL IT'S ALL OVER31 EDWIN STARR OVE (THE LONELY PEOPLE'S PRAYER)32 GLADYS KNIGHT NO-ONE COULD LOVE YOU MORE33 ARIN DEMAIN SILENT TREATMENT34 BIG MAYBELLE OCEAN OF TEARS35 CHUCK JACKSON THIS BROKEN HEART36 JOSEPH MOORE I STILL CAN'T GET YOU37 CHUCK BERNARD EVERY HURT MAKES YOU STRONGER38 MAGNETICS I HAVE A GIRL39 SERVICEMEN CONNIE40 CRYSTALS I GOT A MAN41 DELLS RUN FOR COVER42 UNITED SOUNDS IT'S ALL OVER43 JACKIE LEE OH MY DARLING44 LITTLE EDDIE TAYLOR I HAD A GOOD TIME45 MAD LADS NO STRINGS ATTACHED46 PATRICE HOLLOWAY ECSTASY47 PAULETTE LOVE YOU BABE48 PURPLE MUNDI STOP HURTING ME BABY49 SPARKLES TRY MY LOVE50 BARBARA LEWIS STARS51 TYRONE DAVIS JUST MY LUCK52 ARCHIE BELL HERE I GO AGAIN53 BOBBY PARIS DARK CONTINENT54 DIFOSCO SUNSHINE LOVE55 JOSEPH WEBSTER MY LOVE IS STRONG56 BROOKS O DELL SLOW MOTION57 RICHARD TEMPLE THAT BEATIN' RYTHM58 MICKEY LANEY I'M GONNA WALK59 CHOSEN FEW BIRTH OF A PLAYBOY60 CRYSTALS ARE YOU TRYING TO GET RID OF ME BABY61 EDDIE HOLLAND JUST AIN'T ENOUGH LOVE62 JACKIE SHANE COMIN' DOWN63 DEE DEE WARWICK HOUSE OF GOLD64 ADORABLES OHH BOY65 CHARLES JOHNSON NEVER HAD A LOVE SO GOOD66 EDDIE BISHOP CALL ME67 JIMMY BEAUMONT OUR DAY IS HERE68 ART NEVILLE YOU WON'T DO RIGHT69 RADIANTS ONE DAY I'LL SHOW YOU70 PHONETICS DON'T LET LOVE GET YOU DOWN71 SONJI CLAY DEEPER IN MY HEART72 ROBERT TANNER SWEET MEMORIES73 FREDDIE WILLIAMS NAME IN LIGHTS74 OTIS BROWN SOUTHSIDE CHICAGO75 DELLS YOUR SONG76 PHONETICS JUST A BOYS DREAM77 FOUR DYNAMICS THING A LADY AIN'T SUPPOSED TO BE78 MICKEY MOONSHINE NAME IT YOU GOT IT79 JIMMY RICKS OH WHAT A FEELING80 MILTON & WINSTON YOU LIED81 SOUL SURVIVORS MAMA SOUL82 DETERMINATIONS BING BONG GOES MY HEART83 PATTI & PLAYBOYS TEARS84 TEMPTATIONS FOREVER IN MY HEART85 DEEP VELVET HANNAH MAE86 JIMMY PHILLIPS SHE BELONGS TO ME87 VALENTINES BREAKAWAY88 JOCK MITCHELL NOT A CHANCE IN A MILLION89 SPELLBINDERS BABY I MISS YOU90 JOE TEX YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT BABY91 OLIVER NORMAN DROWNING IN MY OWN DESPAIR92 EDDIE SPENCER IF THIS IS LOVE (I'D RATHER BE LONELY)93 MARION STEWART I MUST BE LOSING YOU94 MAXINE BROWN LET ME GIVE YOU MY LOVIN'95 MEL WILLIAMS SWEET GIRL OF MINE96 SONNETTES I'VE GOTTEN OVER YOU97 ESQUIRES HOW COULD IT BE98 MANDELLS JUST CAN'T WIN99 LENNY WILLIAMS HOW CAN I FORGET YOU100 BARBARA DANE I'M ON MY WAY101 HARVEY SCALES & SEVEN SEAS TRYING TO SURVIVE102 BROOK BENTON WHERE DOES A MAN GO TO CRY103 TIARAS SURPRISE104 DEREK MARTIN SLY GIRL105 JIMMY REED JR I AIN'T GOING NOWHERE106 LOUIS CURRY YOU'RE JUST PLAIN NICE107 GLADYS KNIGHT IF YOU EVER GET YOUR HANDS ON LOVE108 GEORGE KIRBY WHAT CAN I DO109 RADIANTS I GOTTA DANCE TO KEEP MY BABY110 PRIME MINISTERS I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE111 MEL BRITT LOVE INVENTED MISERY112 DETROIT SPINNERS WHAT MORE COULD A BOY ASK FOR113 LITTLE SOUL HOLD ON114 AL GARDNER SWEET BABY115 NEWPORTS DISILLUSIONED LOVE116 CANDY & THE KISSES SOMEONE OUT THERE117 JAMES CONWELL ANOTHER SUNDOWN IN WATTS11 SHIRLEY KAROL JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY119 MARVA LEE IF YOU CAN'T BE TRUE120 JOHNNY BURTON SLAVE GIRL121 JOE VALENTINE I LOST THE ONLY LOVE I EVER HAD122 JAMES PHELPS THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE123 CLAUDINE CLARK TELEPHONE GAME124 ORLONS SPINNING TOP125 STEVE KARMEN BIG BAND BREAKAWAY126 5 ROYALES TAKE ME WITH YOU BABY127 ANNA BELLE CEASER LITTLE ANNIE128 JIMMY BO HORNE I CAN'T SPEAK129 MIXED FEELINGS SHA LA LA130 CLIFF WAGNER EXCEPTION TO THE RULE131 JAMES ROYAL WHEN IT COMES TO MY BABY132 CORNELIUS BROTHERS AND SISTER ROSE BIG TIME LOVER133 DELL VIKINGS FINGER POPPIN'134 JIMMY RAYE PHILLY DOG AROUND THE WORLD135 BROTHER LOVE PRECIOUS DOVE136 GEORGE PEP THE FEELING IS REAL137 DAVID RUFFIN RODE BY THE PLACE138 LEE McKINNEY AND THE MAGNETICS I'LL KEEP HOLDING ON139 LEON PETERSON NOW YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN140 JOHNNY WATSON IT'S BETTER TO CRY141 PARAMOUNT FOUR SORRY AIN'T THE WORD142 LEE WILLIAMS & CYMBALS A GIRL FROM A COUNTRY TOWN143 B C GENERATION STREET TALK144 DAVID WILL THE WAY THE WORLD SHOULD BE145 BOBBY TREETOP WAIT TILL I GET TO KNOW YA'146 CURTIS DAVIS AND THE ARKETTES TELL ME147 J P ROBINSON OUR DAY IS HERE148 HECTOR RIVERA I WANT A CHANCE FOR ROMANCE149 PAUL ANKA WHEN WE GET THERE150 JOHNNY HOWARD THE CHASE IS ON151 ADAMS APPLES DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON THIS WORLD152 HARVEY AVERNE NEVER LEARNED TO DANCE153 FABULOUS PEPS WITH THESE EYES154 BROOKS BROTHERS LOOKING FOR A WOMAN155 MATT BROWN THANK YOU BABY156 RITA AND TIARAS GONE WITH THE WIND157 FALCONS I'M A FOOL I MUST LOVE YOU158 JOCK MITCHELL NO BAD WOMAN159 THE APOLLAS MR CREATOR160 SALVADORS STICK BY ME BABY161 VOLUMES SAME OLD FEELING162 SHIRLEY EDWARDS DREAM MY HEART163 JUNIOR WELLS I'M GONNA CRAMP YOUR STYLE164 BLINKY RESCUE ME165 MELLO SOULS WE CAN WORK IT OUT166 BETTY TURNER AND CHEVELLES BE CAREFUL GIRL167 PRECISIONS SUCH MISERY168 PENETRATIONS SWEET, SWEET BABY169 CARL HENRY HALL LET ME DOWN SLOWLY170 GEMINIS NO MORE TOMORROW171 GENE CHANDLER BET YOU NEVER THOUGHT172 RUBY DECEIVED173 ANNE HEYWOOD CROOK HIS LITTLE FINGER174 ORTHEA GEORGE WHAT A GOOD THING YOU HAD IN ME175 BILLY & CLYDE WORLD OF MY OWN176 WHISPERS REMEMBER ME177 EDWIN STARR I HAVE FAITH IN YOU BABY178 HERBERT HUNTER HAPPY GO LUCKY179 LOVEABLES JUST BEYOND MY FINGER TIPS180 ROBERT SANDERS WHAT I DON'T SEE (CAN'T HURT)181 MALIBUS JUST CAN'T STAND IT182 LEN JEWELL BETTIN' ON LOVE183 HELENA FERGUSON MY TERMS184 INSIGHTS SOMEDAY GIRL (YOU'RE JUST A)185 GLORIA JONES LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED186 KELL OSBOURNE YOU CAN'T OUTSMART A WOMAN187 PARAMOUNTS UNDER YOUR SPELL188 ARTIE LEWIS AIN'T NO GOOD189 GERALD TROTTER ONE MORE HURT190 CHARTS LIVIN' THE NIGHT LIFE191 DEON JACKSON NEED A LOVE LIKE YOURS192 VOLUMES SAME OLD FEELING193 JACKI BOND DON'T YOU WORRY194 HOPKINS BROTHERS SHAKE CHERI195 SWEET THINGS I'M IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE196 BOBBY RICH THERE'S A GIRL SOMEWHERE197 LOST SOULS SECRET OF MINE198 WALES WALLACE SOMEBODY I KNOW199 PARAMOUNTS UNDER YOUR SPELL200 THEO COFF INVASION LUCKY DAYAny list is simply the opinion of the participants. It would be nice if we could do a list on Soul Source as was attempted in the past but sadly didn't come to fruition due to illness.Some fabulous stuff in there - a lot of my own favourites - but Uphill Climb to the Bottom (and a number of its ilk) - the top spot? Fantastic record but absolutely no way it should be up there in an all-time top Northern Soul list.
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I think the version being discussed is an early one - later copies included Cecil Washington (which I scanned from Kev's own copy - so the rarity comment is wrong).
It was one of the 'oh shit how did we forget that' tracks.
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An empty dance floor means the DJ is crap, DJ's get gigs when they play music that fills dance floors with dancers, don't try to educate them with what the 'teacher' thinks they should like.
Surely this is the definition of a dead scene - playing stuff people don't/hardly know (PROVIDED IT IS AN APPROPRIATE VEIN AND DANCEABLE) but will appreciate alongside stuff they do know and like is what it's all about - would we ever have heard anything new had DJs followed the above?
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I have one of the blank labels at home that DG gave us (sure other people have them too) - red and brown with the 444 design and 20s looking graphics around the top.
According to the story DG told us, the reason it didn't happen was that he and David Nathan had more or less agreed funding with an American businessman in New York. They were having a final sit down when DN popped out of the room, the guy turned to Dave and said 'you don't want to be involved with that Yid do you?' at which DG stood up, gave him a mouthful and walked out - end of funding, end of label.
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Though I was pretty heavily involved in the first couple of editions (as designer and contributing writer, with Pete providing a most of the old memberships etc), I always had issue with the definition of 'top 500' - to go purely on popularity across the WHOLE scene simply reintroduces the lowest common denominator factor of the pop charts. Where do you draw the line of 'northern soul scene'? If you include EVERY soul night in the country then you could justifiably start to expect to see something like The Four Tops' 'I'll Be There' because it would get heavily played at a low brow Motown do, though most wouldn't consider it 'Northern'.
Next comes the consideration of time frame - something like Astral Trip could justifiably claim a place for having been extremely big during the early-mid 80s - but someone who joined the scene post about 1988 wouldn't have a clue what it was and would be amazed it was popular.
Like many I think there is a whole slew of tracks that should've made it in, though at the time the book was groundbreaking (and is still probably by far the biggest selling book on the subject), being the first by a proper 'insider' to the scene and Kev deserves plaudits for taking on the task.
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Brilliant record - always remember Morecambe Third Anniversary - requested it - the place went off like an atom bomb.
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Gladys Knight - The Stranger
PS Re-Mag Men:
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The brilliant Darlene Love 'Lord if you're a woman' used to be massive for Pat Brady at Bradford, spun in amongst a lot of really rare stuff.
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Spellbound - Tamiko Jones
Witchcraft in the Air - Betty Lavett
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Seems there's a stack of obvious stuff been left off this list (whilst loads of commercial cack has been included).
What about Brainstorm 'Loving Is Really My Game', GQ 'Disco Nights' and 'Make My Dreams A Reality', Vickie Sue Robinson 'Turn The Beat Around', The Originals 'Down To Love Town', Fantastic Four 'Got To Have Your Love' (
), Phreek 'Weekend' ( ), Crown Heights Affair 'Galaxy of Love', 'Dancing' and 'Dreaming a Dream', Ripple 'The Beat Goes On', Loleatta Holloway 'Dreamin' and 'Run Away', Musique 'In The Bush', The Jones Girls 'Nights Over Egypt', Idris Muhamed 'Could Heaven Ever Be Like This', Charles Earland 'Let The Music Play' ( ), Arthur Adams 'You Got The Floor', Linda Clifford 'Runaway Love', Gary Byrd 'The Crown', Aquarian Dream 'Phoenix', Patrice Rushen 'Haven't You Heard', Norman Connors 'Take It To The Limit', Webster Lewis 'Let Me Be The One', Khemistry 'Can You Feel My Love' and 'I Can't Lose The Stuff I Use'... Etc etc etc etc etc.Dx
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I seem to remember Brian Rae being credited with finding it on a Budget Cd on the the counter of a US Gas Station? I might be wrong?
It was defo Brian that first played it.
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I think 'Rare Soul' has too many issues in terms of the fact that much of what I'd consider 'Rare Soul' actually isn't rare.
Of course 'Northern Soul' also has its limitations and preconceptions about what it should sound like amongst many.
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70% but i disagree that MG was a 'member' of the Funk Brothers
Also as noted above it was Bobby Taylor who found the J5
Finally - simply because they covered some jazz standards doesn't make the 4 Tops a jazz group
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Young Mr L did a cracking job on these. Nice looking labels too - wonder who did them?
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Technically ALL soul is RnB - however (and I'm talking as someone who has been heavily into RnB in the past) there should be a line in DJ's mind that makes them stop and say 'is it right to play this' - a lot of the jump blues stuff just shouldn't be played at an event that views itself as a Northern Soul venue - that's not to say the music is no good, it just isn't right - same goes for excessively slow soul stuff (like my pet hate Romance Watson).
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I think the arm movement is developed in response to the famous baggy trouser brigade slogan 'where's the bar mate?' - also known as the 'side travolta'.
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A soul-less mechanical dancer teaching others to do the same.
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Oddities On Respected Soul Labels
in Look At Your Box
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Not particularly 'respected' but I bought a copy of a full-on heavy rock track by 'Scarab' on a British Inferno demo (ie Neil Rushden's label) from a junk shop when I was at college in Hull.
Motown CW (for those that don't know 'CW' DOES stand for what it shouldn't) throws up some stinkers - there's also a Motown album of a ventiloquist and his dummy - Chester? (not sure how that works), I've also seen one of the British guitar blues rockers (Jimmy Page? - I forget) on Excello - which I believe did good business doing what were effectively vanity recordings of wannabe 'serious' white bluesmen in the mid-late 60s.
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