The other venue was the Winter Gardens - there was a fourth (a club type pub - think it was owned by one of Sean's many relations) venue used for warmups round the corner from the Carlton that I believe Sean held a couple of nighters at, trouble was the squad got wise and used to pull people on the 150 yard walk up to the Carlton. Used to be a lot of Bombers, Dex and back streets around at the Carlton when it first opened. Went as often as I could once out of college - met my close friend Pete Hollander for the first time in the queue outside the Carlton in 87 (lots of hair and a silly moustache back then - plus absolute belief that anything that wasn't played at the Torch was crap - that soon changed of course) - believe it was his first nighter back. Seem to remember James King doing a PA for Memory when it was released here - anyway me and Mark Sargent took a load of 12's up for his lordship. The little room used to be good at the Carlton - Gary Taylor, Mark Walmsley etc playing all sorts. Despite being 250 miles away there was always a big chunk of the Swindon/Oxford/Cheltenham/Gloucester crew with Scouse running a monthly minibus from Swindon, plus a few cars (even did it on a scooter, as I did most nighters back then, both from Hull and Abingdon) - remember we picked up these two hitchers in the Swindon minibus once - after a while they asked if they could skin up, needless to say they ended up absolutely smashed at the nighter. Third anniversary was the best nighter I ever went to (got the train from college in Hull - by the tim it got there it was packed - with people dancing in the isles lots of record etc dealing going on), absolutely incredible - remember lending the DJ my copy of the Pockets, Catch Me, 12" and the place absolutely exploding. Was talking to RS a while back and he was enthusing about how brilliant the nighter was and how it doesn't get the credit it deserves. Always liked Sean too, even though he was a serious wide boy. The much remembered long drop toilets you could see the sea through were a strange one when you're off your head. Dx