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Loretta Kendrick eventually became lead singer of the Naturelles who recorded on Clarence Paul/William Stevenson's Venture label.'My feelings keep getting in the way' was written by Don Mancha and the strings were arranged by Marvin Gaye. The male voice on the song is Clarence Paul.It was never released until the Hayley single ( HR004) The Just Brothers 'Honey' was the original 'A' side of 'Sliced tomatoes' but was never released. The master tape has been lost. The only copy was a battered acetate which was miraculously transcribed onto the Hayley single (HR003) Other previously unreleased songs issued on Hayley; Lyn Varnado 'Ain't that something' Charles Brimmer 'Show and tell' Dathan Jones 'Contract on love' Forthcoming singles featuring previously unreleased material; Karen Pree 'Can't help loving (the one who's loving me)'/'You've gotten to me' Clarence Jackson 'I miss you'/ 'Me and my lady'
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Sad News Richard 'Popcorn' Wylie RIP Sad news passed on via the forum by Rob Moss Just received a call from Mike Terry announcing that the immortal Richard 'Popcorn' Wylie passed away today. I'm sure everyone will share the s... Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
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Just received a copy of the fantastic Falcons cd from Sonny Munro. Spent a fascinating evening at his home revisiting past glories and reliving former triumphs. One of the things he did tell me was that the "You've got the power' track that is credited to the group is definitely not them. It is, in fact, Deon Jackson and appeared on the second Hayley cd 'Ain't that something' under its correct affiliation. Another conundrum that continues to astound many is the identity and lineage of 'Doll Face' on the Enterprise label out of Detroit. One side of the single is 'Please return' with songwriting credits to The Falcons (C.Munro, A. Halliwell, J.Alain and J. Gibson) yet Sonny has no memory of the song at all. Nothing is mentioned in the sleeve notes of the latest cd about it either - a real Poirot moment indeed. Can anyone help?
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Articles: I Love Detroit July 2008 by Rob Moss
Rob Moss posted a topic in Front Page News & Articles
In the days before computerized information flow, most Detroit performers’ awareness of any interest in their musical output from the 1960s or 1970s, anywhere in the world, was almost non-existent. Most had given up the dream of stardom or notori... Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full -
In the days before computerized information flow, most Detroit performers’ awareness of any interest in their musical output from the 1960s or 1970s, anywhere in the world, was almost non-existent. Most had given up the dream of stardom or notoriety, and had selected alternative forms of employment. To be suddenly informed by a white man with a funny accent decades later, that a song, or songs, they had recorded in their teens or early twenties and completely forgotten about, were now popular with people from a different culture, several thousand miles away, for many, was a totally confusing revelation. The conversation was almost always the same. “You say my record is a hit in the UK?” “No, but it is popular on a certain scene over there.” “Oh, so everyone has bought my record?” “No, because not many people have got it. It’s not available and difficult to find. Lots of people want it though, and will pay large amounts of money to buy it.” “So, if it’s that popular, it must be a hit right?” “No…” and so it continues until a stalemate of confusion dissolves into mutual misunderstanding. Over the years many of these same entertainers have actually visited Britain, or countries in mainland Europe, to perform, without ever really understanding the nether world of rare soul appreciation that they have entered. Many find it almost incomprehensible that people would want them to perform songs that didn’t achieve any significant sales figures or popular appeal at the time of release. By insisting on this practice however, the few truly informed and inspired promoters in UK, who have any sense or understanding, ensure that real devotees get what they want, and that we are all spared the inevitable and inferior versions of ‘Stand by me’, ‘Up on the roof ‘, ‘A change is gonna come’ and ... note from the soul source team - sorry but all Robs non-current articles are now clipped due to a future book release - watch out for news of that!
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Thanks Shute. I found plenty of references to them but no photos. Surely someone took something at some stage!!
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Can any kind soul help with this request? I'm putting together an article on Albert (Al Kent) Hamilton, Eugene (Ronnie Savoy) Hamilton and Robert (Rob Reeco) Hamilton based on in depth interviews with Al and Ronnie but need photos from the time of any, and all, of them. Hayley goody bags and my eternal gratitude to anyone who can help. Cheers.
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In the Snakepit cd - The Funk Brothers BUY IT NOW MELVIN DAVIS His Greatest Recordings cd BUY IT NOW
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Fair enough Bob - I stand corrected!
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Every reference I've ever found identifies the Hog group in 1965 as comprising of Freddie Perren, Larry and Fonce Mizell. See 'Soul Specrum' site 2.25.2008. where they review the re issue and make the same statement. I have no idea whether US collectors had knowledge of the record prior to 1993, though I suspect they only took interest when it became rare on the UK soul scene. I've no idea if the people you spoke to were lying or not. In my experience artists are notoriously bad at remembering which songs they recorded or what they sang on. I also have a photo purporting to be of the Hog Moments which identifies the Mizell Brothers.
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Having found the first ever known copy of The Moments 'Baby I want you' on Hog Records in 1993 in a $1 bin at Cappy's Records in Detroit, I did some research into who they actually were. Andy Rix and Rob Thomas found the first acetate but there were no label details on it.Nothing to do with the Detroit group of the same name or the later Stang collection but the Mizell Brothers - Fonce and Larry and Freddie Perren. Larry wrote it. (He would later go on to become a part of The Corporation that wrote many hits for the Jackson 5 among others) Freddie Perren produced it.
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Although Motown always credit it to Tommy Good, he always maintains that it is NOT him. Doesn't remember recording it either. Probably a white guy though - favourite is Deke Richards. Best version IMHO is by the guy who wrote it - Ivy Jo Hunter.
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Anyone got a cheap pressing of the High Keys 'Living a lie' in decent nick for sale or trade? Also looking for that Milton Wright thing on Satiron. Many thanks
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Same backing is used on Invitations 'Handwriting on the wall'
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Couple more that I forgot to include! APRIL STEVENS 'Wanting you' UK YELLOW MGM.Ex+ £200 DEON JACKSON 'That's what you do to me' Carla White demo. Ex £85.
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Thanks Paul. Glad to know people are enjoying the articles - more to come if Mike will indulge me! Best Rob
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The following are for sale; SINGLES. TOBI LARK 'Sweep it out in the shed' Topper.Mint £500 EJ & ECHOES 'You're gonna hurt' Diamond Jim Ex. £280. KETTY LESTER 'Some things are better left unsaid' RCA Mint- £80 PHILIP MITCHELL 'I'm so happy' Atlantic. Ex- £160 YVONNE VERNEE 'It's been a long time' SONBERT White Demo Ex. £200. GINO WASHINGTON 'Girl here I am' Atac Ex. £250 COLLINS & COLLINS 'Top of the stairs' A&M Ex. £200 TOMMY GOOD 'Baby I miss you' Gordy Mint- £90. SPYDERS 'I can take care of myself' (Same as Gene Chandler) Golden State M. £70 ALBUMS. CHRIS BARTLEY 'Sweetest thing this side of heaven' VANDO Ex/Ex £45 JACKIE LEE 'The duck' Mirwood Ex/Ex £25 PATTI DREW 'Tell him' (Inc.'Stop & listen' 'Can't shake it loose') Capitol Ex/Ex £35 WILLIE HUTCH 'Soul portrait' (Inc. 'Lucky to be loved by you') RCA STILL SEALED £65 ROY HAMILTON 'The impossible dream' (Inc.'Reach out for me') RCA Ex/Ex TINA MASON 'Something Wonderful' Capitol Ex/Ex £225 Please pm me.
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Visiting Detroit Part 7 Holidaying in Detroit is probably not everyone’s idea of an ideal vacation. Though the weather is scorching in the summer, there are no beaches or swimming facilities to speak of. No English pubs serving Watney... Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
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Visiting Detroit Part 7 Holidaying in Detroit is probably not everyone’s idea of an ideal vacation. Though the weather is scorching in the summer, there are no beaches or swimming facilities to speak of. No English pubs serving Watney’s Red Barrel. No ‘Full English breakfasts with all the trimmings’ and no Sky TV showing football at all hours of the day and night. In fact, you’ll be lucky to even find out the scores. You can visit ancient relics, although I’m sure they wouldn’t take kindly to be referred to in quite those terms, see where many of the recordings were made and have a sporting chance of finding that precious vinyl, if, of course, your interests lie in these areas. Probably not the kind of trip to take the wife and kids on — unless you’ve managed to brainwash them to the extent that they share your passion, and this is extremely unlikely. Travelling to America by air from anywhere in Europe will usually take a minimum of seven hours, owing to the headwinds that typically slow progress on the outbound journey. It will be shorter coming back for exactly the same reason. Flying is one of the most tedious, frustrating and mind numbing activities we are forced to endure in our modern world. And it is not enhanced by the moronic range of films available that are targeted at the four children on the flight who may actually understand and enjoy them. Add to this the constant and continuous high pitch screaming and wailing of the inevitable baby (ies) in the next row (doesn’t anyone use dummies anymore?) and the old man, in close proximity, who periodically insists on moving the phlegm in the back of his throat to the nasal cavity in the centre of his head with that awful sound that resembles a ship leaving port, and you have abject misery. The feeling of elation as you actually leave the aircraft, not forgetting to, hypocritically, thank the flight staff for orchestrating this brief visit to hell, is a unique experience. Like many airports around the world, Detroit Metro is at least 20 miles from the city. A hire car is essential and should be booked, and prepaid, from home.... note from the soul source team - sorry but all Robs non-current articles are now clipped due to a future book release - watch out for news of that!
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Harry Have you considered 'SoleTrain' or perhaps 'Soul Trane' or even 'Soulo Train' for our Hispanic cousins? Just a thought.
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What a brilliant piece about a fantastic group. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks Mike.
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Frank Bryant (co writer of song) told me that they would frequently record different versions of songs, usually depending on what 'Mr.' Wingate thought when he heard them. I know that the first version of 'Real humdinger' had strings on it and a different background vocal and was longer, with another 'bridge break' in the latter half. It had to be completely re recorded because Wingate thought it was 'too busy'. The same rhythm track was used however. This could easily be the case with 'Deeper in love'. A few vinyl copies of the alternate 'Humdinger' exist. Hope this is helpful.
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As a (relatively) proud Englishman, I must take exception to one specific part of the original thread. The people referred to as 'tyre kickers' are most definitely 'ARSEholes' not 'ASSholes'. I note that the correct English use and spelling of 'tyre' (as opposed to the American 'tire')is in operation. It surely follows that the English 'Arse' should take preference over the more inferior American 'ass'. Or an I talking out of at least one of them?!
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Rob Moss delivers his view on the recently broadcast BBC4 TV programme Motor Citys Burning - Detroit from Motown to the Stooges Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
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Rob Moss delivers his view on the recently broadcast BBC4 TV programme Motor Citys Burning - Detroit from Motown to the Stooges I love Detroit — ‘Motor City’s Burning’ The title sounded fantastic. ‘Motor City’s Burning’ — ‘A documentary looking at how, during the 1960s, the blue collar Midwestern city of Detroit became home to a musical revolution that captured the sound of a nation in upheaval’ and ‘Detroit from Motown to the Stooges’ to quote the BBC’s own promotional blurb. Surely this would be a detailed examination of the circumstances that created one of the most influential musical styles in popular music — ‘The Motown Sound’? The title implied that some scrutiny of the causes and effects of the 1967 Detroit riots would feature in the programme too. And wouldn’t the BBC, an institutional universally respected and admired, with a substantial budget provided by the British taxpayer, be able to gain access to unique footage, interviews and other journalistic extras that would create a truly ground breaking, and long overdue, assessment of an essential era in a unique age? Adherents to the genre could almost predict the content. A brief history of Detroit, tracing its initial role as a fur trading settlement in the 18th century to the arrival of Henry Ford at the beginning of the 20th century and the creation of the automobile industry, the important role the city played in the escape of slaves from the South during the 19th century, the strained race relations that dogged life in the city throughout most of the 20th century as huge numbers of black families migrated north, and the affluence of the post war period, culminating in the 1960s, that spawned a generation of superbly talented and creative people in and around Detroit. This would be followed by an assessment of the social and cultural landscape around the city in the 1950s, and how this impacted on Berry Gordy Jnr. A brief description of Gordy’s family background, writing career and musical grounding would provide an insight into how he set up his business operation, and, perhaps more importantly, who was involved in the earliest recording sessions and organizational structures he put in place... note from the soul source team - sorry but all Robs non-current articles are now clipped due to a future book release - watch out for news of that! BBC Blurb Documentary looking at how Detroit became home to a musical revolution that captured the sound of a nation in upheaval. In the early 60s, Motown transcended Detroit's inner city to take black music to a white audience, whilst in the late 60s suburban kids like the MC5 and the Stooges descended into the black inner city to create revolutionary rock expressing the rage of young white America. With contributions from Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper, George Clinton, Martha Reeves, John Sinclair and the MC5. Fri 7 Mar 2008 22:00hrs https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009372j
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