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I saw the Funk Brothers in downtown Detroit during the Detroit Jazz (!) Festival several years ago and Raymond Monette was with them then. They were brilliant and it was all free!! They were followed by Dennis Edwards' Temptations (who included David Sea and Ollie Woodson). You would have thought the Funks would have stayed around to back the Tempts but they didn't. A completely different band (more like a mini orchestra) took to the stage. Amazing. Only in America!
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It's been a while since I read it (gave it away) but I do remember years were wrong, there were a ton of spelling mistakes, including Harthon would you believe, and much more that his ex partner Mike Terry told me were inaccurate or untrue! I guess everyone's version of history is different. I think Jack depended on his memory without checking facts, dates etc.,which is always tricky. I remember offering to assist with editing to the UK publisher (can't remember his name but based in London I think) but being turned down. The book is a major disappointment because it could, and should, have been so much better.
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No it isn't. It's poorly written, pathetically researched, inaccurate and dull.
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Fantastic lp on BELL Records includes 'Stop and get a hold of myself' , 'Tell her you're mine' 'Either way I lose' Sleeve EX Record M- £20 +£2 P&P
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Martha Reeves Getting All Cocky In Record Collector
Rob Moss replied to Pete S's topic in All About the SOUL
I remember seeing her 'perform' at Baker's Lounge in Detroit several years ago during a benefit for Dr. Teddy Wilson and she was terrible. When I later commented to the late Mike Terry that she couldn't sing anymore his response was surprising yet quite funny. He said 'She never could' Yet, in fairness, when she sang 'The Lord's Prayer' at Popcorn Wylie's funeral she was absolutely mesmerizing. I must say, it was one of the most soulful and spine tingling deliveries of a song I have ever experienced and a fitting tribute to Popcorn. -
Spoke to Carla at length after Willie Mitchell's Memorial service and she did not remember the song at all. I even hummed/sang her a few bars but it was a total blank. Incredible!
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Magic of the SPELLBINDERS California sunset ORIGINALS Whispers JACKIE WILSON Backtrack 6 VARIOUS (Track UK) Greatest recordings DEON JACKSON (Solid Smoke) Spotlight on MAXINE BROWN
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Following albums for sale PayPal OK (Gift) P&P £2 Dee Dee Warwick I WANT TO BE WITH YOU (Inc. ''Worth every tear I cry') MERCURY Ex/Ex 25 Magnificent Men MAGNIFICENT MEN (Inc. 'Just walk in my shoes' 'Peace of mind' 'Keep on climbing') CAPITOL Ex+/Ex+ 25 Ron Banks & The Dramatics DRAMATICALLY YOURS ( Rec. in Detroit - great album)VOLT Ex/Ex 12 David Ruffin GENTLEMAN RUFFIN (Inc. 'I wanna be with you) PROMO WARNER BROTHERS Ex/Ex 12 Money back if not satisfied.
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Cheers Mark.
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The following are for sale. PayPal (Gift) OK. Money back if not completely satisfied. Post £1 first record, then 50p per. TYRONE DAVIS You keep me holding on DAKAR Ex 5 AMALGAMATED FUNK CO I wanna take you out SINGLE B Ex. 30 LADY NICOLE I can see everybody's baby but mine JEMKL Ex 15 FREDDIE WATERS I'm afraid to let you into my life' OCTOBER Ex 8 LITTLE EVA Something about you boy SPRING VG+ 8 SAM HUTCHINS Dang me AGP White promo VG++ 25 VOICE MASTERS Dance right into my heart BAMBOO Looks VG plays fine 25 VELVET SATINS Heading for the rooftop/Angel adorable GENERAL AMERICAN Ex 50 ALEXANDER PATTON I knew it was wrong DUO DISC White promo VG+40 WILLIAM BELL & JUDY CLAY My baby specializes STAX Ex 6 THE 21ST I just can't forget your name JOY Ex 10 SPIRAL STAIRCASE More today than yesterday COLUMBIA Ex 8 MARGIE JOSEPH & BLUE MAGIC You and me got a good thing going ATCO Ex 10 JEANIE REYNOLDS You ain't the only man (Tony Hestor) CHESS Ex 8 BOBBY THURSTON This can't be happening to me BS AVCO Promo Ex 8 BOBBY WILLIAMS Everybody needs love sometime R&R Ex 8 FREDA PAYNE Bring back the joy CAPITOL Ex 15 ECSTASY PASSION & PAIN Passion BS ROULETTE Promo Ex 8 DRIFTERS Baby what I mean ATLANTIC Ex 8 LEN BARRY Love love love THAT PHILLY SOUND Ex 20 LEN BARRY I'll always need you THAT PHILLY SOUND Ex 20 TIP WATKINS People gonna talk (Parts 1 &2) H&L Ex 8 MARY WELLS Can't you see you're losing me ATCO Looks VG but plays great 6 THE CHANTELS Love makes all the difference in the world RCA Promo BS Ex 20
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Have a couple of WHITE DEMO copies of the following. MINT £20 each + £1 Post. PayPal (gift) OK. JUST BROTHERS Honey/Carlena HR 003 LORRETTA KENDRICK My feelings keep getting in the way/Neither one of us HR 004 THUNDERBIRD SOUND In heaven & on earth/Our finest hour HR 005 SY HIGHTOWER I wonder why/ Go back baby HR 012 EMANUEL LASKEY (Put your name) in the hall of fame/ A different kind of different HR 013
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Articles: The Tempos Story by Rob Moss
Rob Moss replied to Rob Moss's topic in Front Page News & Articles
Thank you all. I'm really glad you enjoyed the piece. Debonaires and Holidays coming up. Best regards Rob -
The Tempos Story by Rob Moss The TEMPOS Story The lineage of vocal groups, male and female, in the 1950s and 60s can be as difficult to establish as any family tree. Line-ups would frequently change as individual members came and went, group names could be dropped and replaced completely or entirely different personnel brought in to replace decampers. On a few occasions in the 1960s several different groups, with the same name, managed to co exist. An entire book, devoted to the various and varied formations that represented 'The Drifters', provides a clear indication of the complexity of personnel peripety through the decades, and they certainly weren't the only ones. Legal wrangles over name usage, and performance rights persist to this day, affecting groups like the Contours, Temptations, Four Tops, Coasters, Drifters, Marvelettes to name a few. Some of us can still recall 'known' groups touring Britain in the 1960s purporting to be their more famous compatriots, and believing that the addition of a prefix like 'Fabulous', 'Original' of 'Fantastic' would, in some way, legitimise the ruse. The Invitations toured as 'The Original Drifters', the Velours came as the 'Fantastic Temptations' (later to become the Fantastics) and there were others. An expose of the practice even made it to the pages of the News of the World newspaper, such was the outrage. This could have all been avoided, of course, if the 'real' groups had come in the first place. Ironically, soul devotees would have been quite happy to see these same groups perform as themselves! Local singer James 'Jay' Davis happened to perform with two Detroit groups with names that appeared elsewhere – the Moments and the Tempos. " I don't know if we were the first to be called the Moments, 'cause I honestly can't say, but Diamond Jim (Riley) told us to change the name when he heard there was a group out of New Jersey, or somewhere like that, with the same name. 'Cause he was kinda managing us then we did what he said. We were the same guys and we just became the Tempos." The (Detroit) Moments was actually started by Herschel Hunter in the early 1960s and comprised of himself, Buford 'Fab'Glatton, Sam Pearson and James Davis. Davis' recollections of the early years of his career have familiar overtones. "Growing up in the neighbourhood, all I wanted to do was sing. I would dream about being a successful singer and I would practice all day long. My first group at high school was called the Fabuleers. Everyone wanted to be in a group or make records back then. I knew Kim Weston growing up. It was me that introduced her to (future husband) Mickey Stevenson. I didn't even know she could sing! When I first met Herschel his brother Ty (Hunter) was already making records (with Check Mate, Anna and Chess) and he hooked us up with Robert Bateman and Herman Griffin. Herschel had been with the Monitors but wanted his own group. We cut one record as the Moments. Herschel wrote both sides. ('Don't take your love from me' b/w Happiest man in the land' on Hit Productions Records). I remember we recorded it at Earnest Burt's Magic City studios on Grand River. It was kind of a doo wop/rock 'n roll thing and it bombed. But it got us to the attention of Diamond Jim." James 'Diamond Jim' Riley was a local entrepreneur who ran a gym, specialising in boxing, as his official business and a 'blind pig' (unlicensed drinking establishment) into the wee hours. " Everyone knew Diamond Jim. He was kinda flashy. He always wore diamonds – even had one in his front tooth and had these big parties at the Driftwood Lounge at the Twenty Grand on his birthday. He liked our sound and signed us to his label – he actually had three. Big D, Diamond Jim and Riley's. We were on two of 'em." Buford 'Fab' Glatton joined the Tempos in 1965 after stints as a member of the Martiniques and as a touring guitarist with several acts, including Jimmy 'Soul' Clark, the Superlatives and the Dells. "I knew Hershell 'cause he was in the Martiniques for a while in the early '60's. I believe that was around '61 or '62. We used to sing around town up 'till around '64 when things kinda drifted apart. I joined the house band at Phelps' Lounge playing guitar. Hershell and Jay brought me in." The Tempos first release on Riley's featured two songs written by Jay Davis, 'Don't leave me' and 'I need you' but Glatten's memory of them is clouded with frustration. " Diamond Jim rented Golden World for that session and brought Sonny Sanders in to work with Jay on the arrangements but he let Joey Kingfish mix them and Kingfish can't mix too good so we weren't too happy with how the record sounded. Jim really believed in us though and kept pushing us. Him and Herschell fell out though not long after 'cause Herschell didn't want to go out on the road. Things got kinda nasty and Herschell left. I went over to Motown to sing with the Love Tones not long after that too. I did some background over at Thelma around that time too. I remember singing on 'Peace loving man' for Emanuel Laskey." Eager to maintain what little momentum had been established, Riley placed the Tempos next release ('I'll never forget' b/w 'Disc jockey paradise') on his Diamond Jim label. The events surrounding it's creation make interesting reading however, as Jay Davis explained. " That wasn't us. It was the Steptones but Jim wanted to get something out on us that he could take to radio and promote. When Herschell and Jim fell out things were quite disorganised for a while. In the end Billy Harris was brought in and Robert Walker and Jimmy Charles replaced 'Fab' and Sam . Billy had sung with the Dynamics and, man, did he nail our songs? Yeah, he was hot." The Steptones would play a part in the next Tempos release too as Davis recalled. "Jim had bought the track for 'Lonely one' from Johnnie Mae Matthews and we recorded it over at Golden World, but the group was kinda breaking up by then so Jim brought the Steptones in and recorded it with them too. I remember he used the track on the B side of both records and I heard that he leased it to Luther Dixon who was working on material for the Platters." With so many changes in personnel, it became increasing difficult to keep the group together. " By the time we did our last release as the Tempos, there were just three of us – me, Billy Harris and Robert Coates. It was 'Let's stick together' and 'Don't act that way' and it came out on Riley's. After that we started touring around Michigan and Illinois and Jim got us dates down South as far as Florida with stops on the way down and back. We played mainly small clubs and took our own band with us. Mr. Bo, who was a blues singer, came with us and Don Mancha's brother Pedro came too as our manager. We would sing our own songs and some of the most popular covers of the day." When the Tempos played around Detroit they would usually 'open' for other acts. Some performers left an indelible impression. "We played Phelps' Lounge before the Falcons one time. Their lead singer 'Sonny' Munro was just like Jackie Wilson, the way he looked, and man, he could sing. I admired him so much back then. Another guy who was a real inspiration to me was Little Willie John. But he died in prison of pneumonia after stabbing a guy in Philadelphia. I guess he was sentenced to 15 to 20 years for that. He was a fantastic performer and real popular wherever he played." As a familiar figure on the Detroit entertainment scene, Davis met, and became friends with, many local luminaries, including Richard 'Popcorn' Wylie. "I'd known Popcorn since teenage days and we worked together on two songs him and his writing partner, Tony Hestor, had come up with for me. ('What words do I use' b/w 'Look what I found' on Mello Records) We recorded them at Earnest Burt's Magic City studio over on Grand River with Popcorn's band. Popcorn was a great guy and real easy to work with. Him and Tony had so many songs. I was privileged to watch them working together one time down in Popcorn's basement at his house. Popcorn would strike a groove on the piano and Tony would come up with the lyrics …I don't know where they came from but he could find these killer words just like that. He was a genius." Considerable mystery has surrounded the details of Tony Hestor's premature death. Davis shared his recollections. "He had just got paid for something around Woodward and Euclid and was walking a couple of blocks to the Latin Quarter to see the Dramatics. I don't know whether he was shot or stabbed, but they took his money and just left him. It was a street robbery. I don't know if they caught them or not. It was a great loss to us all I gotta say." Another aspiring singer to cross his path was Marvin (Jack Montgomery) Jones. "Yeah, we became pretty close. He married my wife's sister and we knew quite a few of the same people. He started out with a guy from Canada who had his own recording studio downtown. Then he got with Johnny Terry who was doing his own thing after leaving the Drifters. Don Mancha was brought in and him and Marvin wrote some things together. He got his last name from Johnny's business partner Don Montgomery and the 'Jack' came from JFK. He was a tall, good-looking dude with this rich, sweet voice. I would work with him to learn the songs Don had come up with. The one I remember best was probably 'Don't turn your back on me'. Man that was a good song. He was hungry for success but he didn't take good care of himself. He contracted diabetes in his twenties and had to have one of his legs amputated later, which kinda finished his career. I remember how he was suffering so bad. It was really sad. He split from my wife's sister (Claudette) and moved out to Madison Heights (northern suburb of greater Detroit) but was found dead not long after. He had been shot in the head." Some speculation surrounds Jones' possible involvement in drugs but Jay Davis is quick to refute this. "No, that wasn't his style. At least I never knew him to mess with drugs. When I heard about his death I wondered who would want to kill someone who was so sick. Then I remembered a conversation we had one time where he said that if he died he wanted to be shot in the head. He said he didn't want to suffer, but I kinda laughed it off, until it happened. Maybe he paid someone to do it – I don't know. He wouldn't have done anything bad. He was always straight up." Davis' own career reverted to group membership in early 1970, when he formed the Final Decisions. " Jimmy Charles and I went back to the early 60s with the Tempos so we got with Al James from Chicago to form the group. Our first song together was 'Keep on walking', a song I'd written with JJ Barnes. JJ and me go back to our teen years. We used to do shows all over Michigan back then. We wrote it over at my house. JJ played keyboards but we wanted it someone to arrange it so I brought Mike Terry in. He really was a great arranger. All we gave him was a basic outline of the song. He listened, scratched his chin and within a few minutes went over to keyboard and started arranging. We met Guy Morosco around that time too. He was an Italian guy who had his own studio and was trying to start his own label, Bumpshop. We went with him and cut 'Keep on walking' and 'Hour of your need'. We also had 'I feel what you feel' and 'The pusher' on Love records which was a subsidiary of Bumpshop." Although 'Keep on walking' achieved considerable success in local markets and was supported by a number of 'live' appearances, the group changed direction again in 1975. "We used to go to this club called Ben's High Chaparral and the owner, Ben Cox, liked us and became our manager. He had his own label, Hi C, named after the club. We recorded two songs over at Fast Track studios with Leonard Jones that came out on Hi C, 'You got to be my woman' and "You are my sunshine" but we did other stuff with him too that wasn't released." Jay Davis' friendship with JJ Barnes was renewed in 1999 when they worked together on the 'Love Street' album. " I wrote all the songs for that album, some with Edwin Starr or with JJ. Don Mancha was involved too. We did some demo copies, but it was never released commercially." Jay Davis continues to write and create music and is about to release his latest album. Rob Moss www.hayleyrecords.co.uk
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The TEMPOS Story The lineage of vocal groups, male and female, in the 1950s and 60s can be as difficult to establish as any family tree. Line-ups would frequently change as individual members came and went, group names could be dropped and replaced... Tap to view this Soul Source News/Article in full
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£3 each or 8 for £20. Condition as described. Money back guarantee if not happy. PayPal OK (gift) Postage £1 first single. 40p per additional. JERRY BUTLER Lost MERCURY (Swirl) VG+ HIGH INERGY Back in my arms again GORDY M. REUBEN HOWELL Rings Motown (Can) Tear on label. Promo Ex. OTIS CLAY I die a little each day HI VG++ SOLD JOHNNY MATHIS Life is a song worth singing COLUMBIA VG+ AL HUDSON We must make it happen ATCO VG SOLD RUBY WINTERS Sweetheart things DIAMOND VG MAURICE and MAC You left the water running CHECKER VG GLORIA TAYLOR Deep inside of you SELECTOR SOUND VG+ BARBARA LYNN You're gonna see a lot more ATLANTIC Ex LEON WARE Able qualified and ready UA Promo VG JERRY BUTLER GIving up on love VJ VG DELLS My life is so wonderful ABC VG BRIAN HOLLAND Let's get together INVICTUS VG+ TYRONE DAVIS Ever lovin' girl DAKAR M SOLD WILLIE HUTCH Talk to me MOTOWN Ex CORNELL BLAKELY Promise to be true FULTON VG GENERAL JOHNSON Can't nobody love you like I do ARISTA Promo stick M DORIS DUKE To the other woman CANYON Ex MAXINE BROWN We'll cry together CUR Ex EDDIE HOLMAN My mind keeps telling me GSF (Can) M- LOLEATTA HOLLOWAY Help me lord (Sam Dees) AWARE VG++ DELLS My pretending days are over CADET VG+ ZZ HILL You better take time AUDREY Ex ISLEY BROTHERS Take some time out for love TAMLA VG++ SOLD BETTY EVERETT The real thing VJ Ex JERRY BUTLER Hey western union man MERCURY (Swirl) VG++ PAT & THE BLENDERS Hard working man TSOP M- DAVID RUFFIN Walk away from love MOTOWN Ex SOLD BRIAN HOLLAND I'm so glad INVICTUS Ex SOLD GENYA RAVAN Feel the need in me (same as Det. Emeralds) DELITE Ex JACKIE WILSON Love is funny that way BRUNSWICK VG JERRY BUTLER I dig you baby MERCURY VG JAMES BROWN There was a time KING (Red) VG TEMPTATIONS Farewell my love GORDY VG+ GENERAL JOHNSON Let's fool around ARISTA white promo M- SWAMP DOGG Knowing I'm pleasing you and me CREAM Ex. CHARLES MANN Loving you is changing me ABC White promo BS M- JJ JACKSON That ain't right LOMA WD VG ANGELO BOND Reach for the moon ABC VG+ MIRACLES Save me TAMLA VG FOUR TOPS Since you've been gone MOTOWN Ex SOLD LITTLE ANTHONY & IMPERIALS Loneliest house on the block AVCO Ex JACKIE MOORE Time ATLANTIC M- IN CROWD EP feat Watts 103rd, Jacky Beavers, Pat Lewis Rose Battiste M-
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** Patti Young - Head & Shoulders (Ernstrat) **
Rob Moss replied to Premium Stuff's topic in All About the SOUL
According to Clay McMurray, who was at the session,'Patti Young' is actually Sue Ann Jones. -
Melvin Davis SOLD
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Following are all for sale at £5 each or 5 for £20. Condition as stated. Full refund if unsatisfied. PayPal OK if sent as a gift. Post £1 for first record, 50p every other. JERRY BUTLER Lost/ You don't know what you've got 'till you lose it MERCURY (Swirl) VG+ JIMMY RUFFIN Baby I've got it / What becomes of the broken hearted SOUL Ex. HIGH INERGY Back in my arms again / So right GORDY M REUBEN HOWELL Rings (small tear on label)/I'll be your brother MOTOWN (Can) Promo JACKIE MOORE Time/Cover me ATLANTIC M RJ's LATEST ARRIVAL Crystal (BS) STAND BY VG- JERRY BUTLER Giving up on love / I've been trying VEE JAY VG LEON WARE The spirit never dies/Able qualified and ready UA VG+ BARBARA LYNN Love ain't never hurt nobody/ You're gonna see a lot more ATLANTIC Ex THE MIGHTY POPE Can't get by without you (BS) PRIVATE STOCK Promo M FIRST CHOICE Gotta get away from you babe (BS) Promo M-DELLS My life is so wonderful/Super woman ABC VG- BRIAN HOLLAND Let's get together/Super woman INVICTUS VG LITTLE ANTHONY & IMPERIALS Loneliest house on the block/I don't have time to worry AVCO Ex THE IN CROWD EP feat.Watts 103rd St Rhythm Band,Jackey Beavers,Pat Lewis, Rose Battiste. M CHARLES MANN Loving you is changing me (BS) ABC Promo M OTIS CLAY I die a little each day/ If I could reach out HIEx FOUR TOPS Standing in the shadows of love/ Since you've been gone MOTOWN Ex JOHNNY MATHIS Life is a song worth singing/ Just wanted to be me COLUMBIA VG+ TYRONE DAVIS Forever/Ever loving girl DAKAR Ex ANGELO BOND reach for the moon/I never sang for my baby ABCEx JJ JACKSON That ain't right/Courage ain't strength LOMA WD VG MIRACLES Save me/ Come ariound here I'm the one you need TAMLA VG RUBY WINTERS Sweetheart things DIAMOND VG AL HUDSON & SOUL PARTNERS We must make it happen/Love is ATCO VG MAURICE & MAC You left the water running /You're the one CHECKER VG SWAMP DOGG Knowing I'm pleasing me and you/Sam Stone CREAM M- GENERAL JOHNSON Let's fool around (BS) ARISTA WD M- CORNELL BLAKELY Promise to be true/Don't touch the moon FULTON VG- MELVIN DAVIS You made me over/I'm worried INVICTUS Cracked but plays VG WILLIE HUTCH Love power/Talk to me MOTOWN VG GENERAL JOHNSON Lies/ Can't nobody love me like you do ARISTA M TEMPTATIONS Farewell my love/ May I have this dance GORDY VG MAXINE BROWN Darling be home soon / We'll cry together COMMONWEALTH Ex EDDIE HOLMAN My mind keeps telling me / Stranded in a dream GSF M- LOLEATTA HOLLOWAY The world don't owe you nothing/ Help me my Lord AWARE VG+ GLORIA TAYLOR Deep inside of you/ World that's not real SELECTOR SOUND VG DELLS My pretending days are over / Let's make it last CADET Ex ZZ HILL It can be fixed/ You better take time AUDREY VG+ JAMES BROWN There was a time/ I can't stand myself KING VG ISLEY BROTHERS Take some time out for love / Who could ever doubt my love TAMLA Ex BETTY EVERETT The real thing/ Gonna be ready Ex JERRY BUTLER Hey western union man / Just can't forget about you MERCURY (Swirl) VG+ PAT & BLENDERS Hard working man (BS) TSOP Ex DAVID RUFFIN Walk away from love / Love can be hazardous MOTOWN VG+ BRIAN HOLLAND I'm so glad (BS) INVICTUS VG GENYA RAVAN Feel the need in me (BS) DE-LITE Ex JACKIE WILSON Love is funny that way / Try it again BRUNSWICK VG JERRY BUTLER I dig you baby / Some kinda magic MERCURY (Red) VG+ DORIS DUKE To the other woman / I dont care anymore CANYON Ex
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Chancellor Of Presents Cliff Nobles' Rare Vocal Of 'the Horse'
Rob Moss replied to a topic in All About the SOUL
This came out on Phil LA of Soul 316 'The horse' b/w 'The mule' by The James Boys and is in Manship's book at £20 -
Have received two offers but they are way out of my price range! Any other kind soul able to assist?
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Hi Ady I've pm'd you. Best Rob
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Crikey, she looks good for her age. I wonder what that cost?!
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Will pay good price for a copy in Ex. or better.