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37 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

I meant venues getting either furlough money, ARG grants or discretionary Council grants, which many did get, up until October 2021. That money may have enabled them to keep going until they returned to profitability but I imagine much of it has gone now and if they are not yet back in the black they'll face closure unless they can think of other ways of getting some cash in - such as selling advance tickets. 

It's a fair point, I'd not really seen it from that perspective, but given venues circumstances I'd have thought they weren't In a position to ask for such indulgences from promotors. 

1 hour ago, Paraboliccurve said:

Inflation might make this a goer... pay twenty quid now, this time next year that will be the cost of a bag of cheese and onion.

Never considered this, might be the reason some promote in this way, but I doubt it.

7 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

TBH in the post pandemic world it's fair enough really, they've probably lost two years of income in '20 and '21 and selling some advance tickets is one way of recouping some of the losses, any Government grants have long since ceased and no one wants the risk anymore of their event failing due to lack of interest or a sudden disaster.

Personally I ain't gonna book anything a year in advance and therefore possibly miss out but I can totally understand why they do it.

In the full time professional business of northern soul? Or is it the northern soul industry now? 

Great article that, was aware of half, the rest are all very early pre 64 and not of a great deal of musical interest beyond Detroit collectors I guess. The myna birds got a reissue on a CD some years back of interest as a real musical curio and 'what if' piece. 

7 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Clyde McPhatter - Lonely people can't afford to cry (Amy) - is one that (watery pun not intended) springs to mind. And if I'm not mistaken, I recall a sizeable haul of Chess/Checker 45s that (again, pun not intended) surfaced in the early 2000s that was quite severely water damaged.

I was going to start with that myself! Good call

Been a lot of talk of water damaged stock, and whatever the reason , what titles have you spotted multiple of, that have suffered from damage through H2O? 

2 hours ago, Gary Lee said:

Great record for not a lot of money definitely.. I thought it might do £3500

I asked Sam if he still had his at Whitchurch, long gone he traded it for job opening among other. 

Arin demain seems cheap by today standards 

On 19/06/2022 at 10:33, Leicester Boy said:

The vast majority of people at dos wear normal clothes. Some wear vests and baggies but each to there own. Personally I'm more Lacoste than vests but in a world of many problems the width of someone's strides certainly don't bother me. 

I wise man once said; ' never judge a man by the width of his trousers''. The clobber does get jumped on perhaps unfairly, but it's perhaps symbolic of the disenchantment many feel about the scene and it's obsession with nostalgia rather than the music.

2 hours ago, Soul16 said:

Yep, agree regarding Tommy Frontera.

I’ve found that Freddie Houston - Soft Walkin’ is another example.

I remember having TF for trade at a nighter, Bedford maybe? Guy was after it, ended up trading it for a mint big daddy Rodgers, Guy was gutted said he'd have given me three copies of BDR, for the TF. Must have been a little local hit anyway as it's never surfaced in large quantities, that copy was knackered too. 

1 hour ago, Happy Feet said:

I once read a feature years ago , regarding the state of a lot of old reggae records both here and in the UK and from Jamaica, and the reason given that the " Parties" all night and lots of people having a good time , that the records very rarely made in back into the sleeves if at all , maybe our American cousins where having as much fun and remember these tunes where plentiful and probably not looked upon as future collectors items but to be enjoyed and danced to at the time of release and suffered the same fate , and remember a lot came over and where used as ships ballast , back in day , wired into bundles via the drill holes , I remember talking to Pete Widd , about the very subject of ships ballast years ago 

Think I remember reading the same somewhere, that's probably what set this train of thought. 

Just saw a Hank Jacobs, just like mine, pretty beat up but still playable. I've noticed lots of others that always seem to show up in rough condition. Prescions, such misery is another, I'm guessing they sold relatively well at the time, rather than being found dead stock. Am I correct in my thinking? 

Not sure if I've got your point there, there were absolutely loads of releases on major labels, Columbia, MGM ect in the 60's, possibly outweighs the amount released on independents in the 60's.

1 hour ago, Tomangoes said:

I thought the space hopper fans were typical eccentric brits.

Lots of uk artists made some classic norvun..

Kiki Dee, Chapter Five, Dusty, the glitter band, Julian covay....fame at last!

Ed

Listening to the glitter band will make you blind, mate.

1 hour ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

 

One of the most significant allnighters of the last 15 years

It got played a lot ten years ago but seemed to have passed its peak. Mind you there are loads collecting now who weren't back then. Seems every town has a Johnny come lately with loads of cash and zero Imagination that just wants boxes full of known rare soul to fill the floor. Hence the demand for what should be a dead record. 

3 hours ago, Ratt said:

I would like to vent my feelings again, using the original post in an unintended way by saying that because we all agree that their are tens of thousands of upbeat tracks out there. And most of them would be great to hear on a night out, if only to break the endless cycle of tracks that DJ's regularly carry. Well for me, this scenario is the perfect time to say once more that I really don't care if what's played out is on vinyl. It would just be fantastic if you could actually request something and get it played......I wouldn't sniff at all if a digital version blasted out across the floor. Their are just so many titles that could radically change the feel of nights out. Get us out of the deep rut we find ourselves in these last years. I know this won't be a popular thought with most DJ's, but even I have a folder with nearly 7000 superb tracks, of which 90% will never get played at a venue. But it sure would be great to head up to the decks with a track in mind, knowing that you are going to hear it. Like I said, I think it would vastly improve our stale scene.

I totally understand your sentiments but changing the format, to mp3's,  wouldn't necessarily mean that a DJ would play a request at an event, you'd have to find a selection from the 7'000 that the DJ supported and would be convinced that people might dance to. They might hate it, and it might clear the floor. 

58 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Why Roger Eagle?

Reason I ask is that in the "development years" of the eventual scene known as Northern Soul...there were 'events' all over the place, not just Manchester, introducing these tunes.

Plenty of books written about the Northampton area, Yorkshire, and even the smoke.

Probably safer to use a year rather than a dj, even though RE is highly respected as a stalwart of the early scene.

Ed

Just plucked out of the air, should have said Guy Stevens maybe?  although there of course many other worthy candidates. I'd propose '63 as the start date, the year he started his r and b night at the scene club. 

Some excellent post thanks folk, keep them coming. It is a ' how long is a piece of string discussion', but very interesting non the less.  I don't really want to  pin the to thread to either that narrow definition of uptempo, black or at least black  sounding soul records or the wider definition mentioned above, I'm interested in both and to throw another idea into the fore;

how many have been played on the scene from Rodger Eagle to the current day? 

12 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Before looking for an answer, can you define 'uptempo soul'? And how do you differentiate between 'sub genres'?

Asking for a friend...

Fair point, that's the rub, really. 

4 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

500.

Seems like it nowadays. 

2 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

The problem being if knowledgeable people from this forum i.e you and several others had been approached about doing something that reflects the scene more accurately, would it have been acted on or dismissed. Genuine question not having a go.

Hopefully it would have been dismissed. It's not like the media have ever really represented scene in an accurate or complimentary manner in the past. It's really just virtue signifying on part of all that took part. 'Look at me I'm into northern soul'.all should have known better. 

4 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Richard would not be that stupid

Wouldn't have made any cash out of it. 

I remember Tim Brown speculating on this point in his magazine, early 2000's. Think he estimated around 10'000 known uptempo soul tunes from the 60's, obviously that would widen massively if we include modern and other sub genres such as R and B.  Personally I always thought that estimate was on  the high side, especially if your just looking at uptempo 60's soul. what do you reckon?