Marc Forrest

13 - 14 years ago I said exactly that on here ... and since a good few years its exactly whats happening. just like the doo wop (and blues) scenes had to suffer from a lack of new recoprd buyers to keep up the demand their prices and values of collections came down in a radical way. The mediocre and lower priced soul 45s are getting harder and harder to sell. The big old classics between 200 and 500 gbp kept their price and are being picked up now too by the few new collectors who are getting into the scene(s) all over the world. The high end items seem to continue to rise price-wise. Must say that esp since the last 12 months there is an almost unexplainable run on high end soul 45s. I certainly cant explain that but some prices that can be seen week in week out are just simply ridiculous. I wonder who pays them and really feel a bit ashamed and pityful for them. Anyway, better get prepared that our precious soul 45s that are not top end rare stuff will drop in value radical in the next coming years. If you are like me and collect for your own pleasure nth to be afraid off really as you will still be able to enjoy them. If you are/were a hot boxer or were even thinking of collecting as an investment (silly I know but there are some out there..) better get your tissues ready now...

wouldnt say cheap, always been a tougher one price-wise. 150 gbp but it sure wasnt as if you could sell hundreds of them immedaitely and at once if you know what I mean. By far not the rarest on the label. remember when moerer had tons of the chex 45s late eighties/start of the nineties. amazing to see the rise in demand on this title lately..it sure isnt what you would call mixing in well with what else is popular at the moment, so whats the reason anyone know ?

how many, who..butch, kitch,searling..any more ?

one on manships if you havent seen it yet..it may be in "latest auction additions"

one on ebay if it hasnt finished since last night..

didnt I send you that 45 some time ago for one of the ace/kent CD projects Ady ??

heres a link to delores maxwell which I think is brilliant...

cheers paul, lovely!

any chance of a scan of teh picture sleeve Mark ? Would LOOOOOOVE to see that.

whats it ging for these days .. from a felling I have seen more Jimmy Ricks than Tommy Tucker ?

Contour 45 sold

Clara Hardy and Fab Peps sold

nth received fella ?

Welcome to my new Rare Soul Sales list #1/2013. New year, new records for sale..so here we go with some tasty early Detroit 45s. Have a look if you are like me and love that early Motorcity sound…first come, first served. Payment via paypal, gifts preferred but only of you is happy and feel comfortable with that. Proper Goldmine grading, so no EX is used. Thanks for looking and please pm if you have any questions or have found sth of interest to you, thanks for looking. Marv Johnson "žCome To Me“ striped Tamla 101, very rare first ever Motown 45, VG 30 GBP Eddie Holland “Merry-Go-Round/It Moves Me” striped Tamla 102, very rare second ever Motown 45, VG 30 GBP Tina Marvel “Promises You Made To Me” Lu-Pine, fab and recommended for DJ`s that like to surprise, M- 25 GBP Ohio Untouchables “I’m Tired” Lu Pine VG++, feat. Robert Ward on guitar, 25 GBP Eddie Floyd “A Deed To Your Heart” Lu Pine Black lettered Demo Copy, one of the tougher ones on this label esp. as a Demo, VG++ seen listed at 100GBP, 50 GBP Walter Hamilton “Nobody But Me / Loosen Up Your Thing” Hi Q my last sales copy of this fabulous doublesider M- , 50 GBP Mel Anton “What Can I Do” Kable cool early JJ Barnes production on this tiny Detroit label, VG++ , 20 GBP Bunny Paul “The Gypsy” Dynamic fab and rare early recording of the artist who later on appeared on Gordy Rec. for another 45, SWL, VG++, 25 GBP The Distants “Come On” Northern classic Temptations record, in fact one of my faves of all time, VG , 10 GBP Clara Hardy “Touch Of Love/You`re Too Jealous” Jack Pot the first recording by Clara Hardy of Tuna Rec. fame, this is by far rarer..and if you like early Detroit a must have! M- , 35 GBP Ray Redmond with The Gaylettes “You Don`t Know / You Say You Love Me” Sa-Mo rarity and much rarer than the book price of 400 gbp would indicate, VG+, repaired warp plays now absolutely fine, 150 GBP Ty Hunter & The Voicemasters “Free” Anna my last sales copy.. M-; 10 GBP The Fabulous Peps “Speak Your Peace / My Love Looks Good On You” D-Town fab Northern classic, VG+, 20 GBP Walter Hamilton “Hangin` Around” Contour early Jobete song on this Detroit rarity, connected to Lu Pine and one of Roberts West early labels, VG+; 20 GBP Delores Maxwell “My Man” Bumble Bee, another early gem on one of them Lu Pine connected Robert West labels, awesome R&B spin, WD, SSOL, VG+, 100 GBP Miracles “You Can Depend On Me/The Feeling Is So Fine” striped Tamla 54028, early eighties re-issue, 8 GBP

sad to read. rip

haha!no wonder, neither "northern" nor "soul" mentioned in the headline and even the searched for title "competition" is missing. ah , that reminds me on the good old days of eay when I still had time to crawl the whole ebay on a daily basis to find bargains like this )

as I said earlier...I remembered seeing it credited to someoneelse as well. the other release is credited to one pervis lavawn, sadly I nly found this weak scan on the net but you get an impression. also found matt finewine mentioning this release on his show so maybe he can upload a proper scan lol and just found these old threads https://www.soulsides.co.uk/philladelphia/BLACKJACK.htm

must say phil, you are right on both. I have the jesse slaughter since ages and remember deciding quite fast against ever playing it out as it just didnt made it thru quality control. the bonus of the good flipside safed the 45 a place in the collection whereas carl holmes had to leave Berlin after only a handfull of spins in the hot summer of 2007. remember seeing the same title on blackjack credited to another artist...was it pervis herder ?

..but am also convinced you have a point there ;)

knowing david flynn as a usually reliable and valid source to quote I indeed dared to be easily convinced by his statement.

think I got to know the record thru the Capitol Soul Club days as well. Bought it off Anglo soon after at a pricely sum. the sleeve still has tims original writing "first copy we ever had" on it. quite scarce to be found and every time I see a copy I am amazed to see how little the interest and therefore sales price is...maybe that type of midtempo-ish mid sixties girl soul its just not en vogue anymore. just like that beautiful lydia o`connor that springs to my mind immediately when thinking what I used to combine with mary wheeler back then. anyway, if your lucjky I amsure you can get one for 350 gbp these days...but occasions are very little..

used to be quite en vogue overe here ten years ago and I think I still got a spare, I`ll have a look..

the fact that searlings copy (one of the first) came via john anderson goes congruent with post #36 which inform us that soul bowl had a "three figure quatity"...so we can rest assure that there are about 100, 200 or even more copies tucked away safely in English collections. A mega rarity ? definitely not. A mega kudos, trophy or icon record ? judging by the feedback on this thread definitely yes. so the only thing that seems to "justify" its current price hike must be the latter plus the big bouns of this copy coming along with a nice letter of authenticity from mr jack ashford himself! so nth wrong with the current price, its the bidders money. if people want it that bad that they go and bid theirselves up (but why oh why so early in the auction process ?!) and remember: it only takes two (bidders). In the end it will be only good for JA who will get a nice return on his copy I suppose ? Most likely it will be more than he had a return on this disc back in the day LOL! Final line: its definitely not a 5000 gbp..let alone 10k record (to me), if it was and if the justification for it being a 5000+ gbp record would be its status as one of the holy grails and icon records everything incl. salvadors, del larks etc would have to be a 10k 45. will it still reach more than 6000 gbp though? I am most definitely sure it will. Only can hope the next people trying to sell their copies wont take the upcoming auction result as an indicator for how much their copy is worth.. Marc NB I really love -and thats not tongue in cheek- I really love reading JM`s auction talk/item descriptions. I really think they are brilliant and I often wonder how he manages to come up with new superlatives for all those precious and pricey records again and again. would be nice and interesting to have a tool to controll and match how much impact they have on the final auction result.

again pete, if that would be a logic widely accepted as a common rule for potential buyers to go by one could say, well the picture clearly shows a pic sleeve which means as a interested buyer you should know or get the knowledge before placing a bid that this record never was released in the uk with a picture sleeve.

cant agree on that Pete, as if your theory would be "common sense and order" there wouldnt be any jamaican reggae 45s on either ebay.com or ebay.co.uk or in general any foreign records on any ebay-url allowed. In general its all down to "you win some, you loose some" IMO. As a buyer I believe it is YOUR job to make sure you are bidding on the right item. Not the sellers job. the seller didnt state it was swedish simply because he may have thought its simply not important esp as he included a picture. I made myself so many bidding mistakes in the past... mostly on unknown stuff just lke Boba. But I always assumed it was my fault, I was taking on the risk. Again: You win some, you loose some. IMVHO. If I would have won it I indeed too would have binned it, framed it (not really LOL) or put it straight into the sales box and move on... much too much time and effort to be invested in a 10 ukp record otherwise really. And most of all lifes too short to worry about such unimportant things (too long) really. Just my opinion.