Marc Forrest

Yes Ady, that could very well be although mine has the details on the label done in red ink. As I said my source was buying stuff also from UK collectors and I bought if off him some eight to possibly nine years ago. Marc

Tend to agree with you but you never really know what the reason for these four track Jobete acetates were in comparison to the usual one track 7" acetates they did. It may have been to put together the current work of one writer, one composer, a certain backing band line up etc. Who knows. I had and have seen several of them four track acetates. Think I still have another Jobete 10" job from NYC which for example looks again totally different to the usual Jobete acetate look and feel...but then again it is a very early recording and not originating from Detroit but from NYC. Marc

Except for a Madness open air concert on friday night there wasn`t much to do this weekend, so I had time to pull my acetate out and have another look on my info sheet... "Tell All Your Freinds" recorded 09/61 by the Valadiers "Day Dreamer" recorded 07/62 by Eddie Holland "Perfect Love" Kim Weston 1962 Its not Herman Griffin but Henry Lumpkin. Marc

So you wanna say the TINY rel. is not rarer or just want to say that there has been another copy on ebay ?

"Another Detroit record de-rarified by ebay" not so much though on the superior version on Eastern IMO.

never seen one before so I tend to say yes..

Hi, I have emailed you a couple of days ago...still waiting for an answer, Thanks in advance. Marc

stupidly sold it years and years ago and wasn´t able to replace it with a mint minus or better copy until very recently...and had to pay about what Chalky just quoted. My advise: never sell it, if buying buy at every chance LOL! Marc

All possible and all not possible of course. We will never ever know for sure IMO. Still the facts are that both staggerd ARCHER copies have different run out grooves...one being typical wider the other being smaller. So where does that leave us ? Also I still believe that the 3W matrix signature is a reliable indicator to its Sixties (Nashville) origin. But as I said, there were two opinions before this thread and I knew I would not be changing that....although I tried (my best) by revealing "new" facts. Marc

so tell me Hippopatamus, when and what where you doing in my reocrd rooom LOL ? Mine looks slightly different though, more like the usual Jobete acetates with red typing etc..

I had my information back in the day from the Richie Hardin site and said tune was down there to be known acetate only ... by the Valadiers. In fact it does sound more like a group in general and the Valadiers in special rather than a solo recording by for example Freddie Gorman accompanied with a group backing to my ears. So I trend to believe its the valadiers. Where do you have the FG piece of information from ? Maybe there does exist another recording by Freddie Gorman, wouldn`t be the first time there would be diferent versions by different artists (especially with Motown back in the day). Marc

In Craig Moerer`s latest catalogue at 300 USD...reasonable.

also on Paula...maybe easier to get even on Paula Marc

top conditioned ? Maybe 250 UKP...still to become bigger (hopefully) and therefore maybe more indemand as well...in case you are selling though please drop ma a pm which flispside yours has as I am still looking for the second of the two releases... Marc

Ouch, right

Ken, you know I have two...can easily let one go. 30 UKP and its yours mate. Marc

One went recently thru ebay for very little money...haven`t saved it though but it was definitely too cheap...says a man who still needs this copy...

maybe me. although I bought mine via the states I do know the guy I bought it from does also buy stuff from UK collectoirs. So you never know... The tracks on my 10 " acetate that I was able to I identify over the years are Eddie Holland "Daydreamer", Valadiers ..not Mike & The Modifiers..."Tell All Your Friends" (stroming early Motown group dancer...I simply love this!) Kim Weston (?) "Perfect Love" and a fourth tune by someone I identified as being possibly Herman Griffin but I could well be wrong on this one... Marc

Agreed, I believe these days nearly everything can be copied anyway. But still I don`t see why "there really are original records with the 3W mark" (Johnny Bragg) whereas Eddie Parker not. Especially as it doesn`t seem to have been wider knowledge at all that there is a 3W on those Ashford copies anyway. I would like to have someone now with an Archer copy not staggered to see if they do carry a 3W stamp. I think if they don`t we will have a further definite proof for the theory that the 3W copies are legitimate as no one who would have wanted to create a bootleg would have added a stamp that is not there on the "original", would he ? Marc

cheers Boba, but I (also) wanted to know what was on those other 10" acetates that were found in London

So but why is JM using the 3W theory then to state what definies the Johnny Bragg originals for example? Tim Brown uses the theory, that nobody would have cared to reproduce an Archer stamp anyway simply because it would have been to difficult. Especially as there were (already?) bootlegs done (without any Archer stamp at all). Interesting as one of said two copies has a wide® run out groove and the other has not. Still both have Archer stamp and 3W

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As does mine, out of interest what are the other tracks ?

Some may have noticed the discussion(s) that were on here lately regarding Eddie Parker "Love You Baby". This has been solved by now so I don`t want to go there anymore.. BUT, as the question came up "are all copies of Eddie Parker with a staggered archer stamp bootlegs or not" the following may be of interest to most of us: Most tended to agree with JM and his statement that the staggered Archer stamp is identifying the bootleg. Me too. Some (or in fact two) said they tend to believe that these are legitimate releases from the Sixties as well. Tim Brown in his guide states the very same opinion as well and assuered me just last week his point of view again. So now just last night a closer inspection of the two copies of Eddie Parker at my place brought sth very interesting into light: they both do have a staggered Archer stamp BUT ...sth I never realized before... also carry the infamous 3W stamp which identifies them as legit Nashville pressed originals back from the Sixties! Just like this sign does identify Johnny Bragg "They Are Talking About me" originals for example. I think this is interesting news as we now can seriously say that the copies with a staggered Archer stamp are definitely originals too IF they do carry the 3W stamp! This stamp is VERY HARD to detect and is placed at five o`clock on both my copies, right under the letteres "O" and "I" of the name Detroit at the bottom of the label. So this may be good news now to everybody who has a staggered one in his collection. Especially me now as I agreed to take back a record that I did actually not even sell LOL! Marc