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Cmon this must be a joke, at least 7DOLY has the excuse of the time it was played, this is just so far away from any sort of soul music I recognise, I thought our C/O over boys were meant to focus on the soulful side, where is that funky kid when you need him!!

[quote name='Simsy' date='Feb 16 2007, 05:51 PM' post='438596' Album was forty quid for donkeys. Nearer a hundred these days I think?

I used to like Gene Latter Groove It and Mary Wilson You Are The Light, but think that says more about me as a 16 year old than Russ!! Only heard him the last 2 years and didnt know that much then (no obvious retorts) but do remember the incessant instrumental/backing tracks he played then (Chiffons/Sidney Barnes) even annoying me at that early stage.

I will tomorrow if thats still allowed, great record, sounds very similar to Butch's old Curtis Blandon c/u which had some connection did it not?? Had one other Tyrone Davis to put up, again will do so tomorrow, I actually have very few records on the label surprisingly. Would strongly recommend recent Grapevine CD of Dakar stuff,, absolutely first class with a couple of unissued gems. Will post a listing tomorrow if Mr Grapevine doesn't beat me to it! Was going to put up the Marshall & Chilites but Joan first as usual, I also have that on ABC (although its been out on a 5 year loan!) but have never seen another on ABC, sure it was Mr Byrney Byrne sold me (or actually gave me I think) the ABC one, before he was distracted by Dean in a dress. Has anyone else seen an ABC one?? Used to be a reasonably popular Allanton sound. Cheers Jock

Whats the album of theirs on Devaki like, seen it a couple of times lately, Have above on 12" on UK (Satril ?? or something like that). Do other tracks on LP live up to this?

Dont think so Ritchie, like Charles Johnson, I think the other side (If It Aint Love???) is the side on demo so only issues exist, hence its difficulty. I used to actually think issue of this was a really rare side (despite buying it for 1.25 of Dave Raistrick many years ago) but believe I may have been proved wrong in recent times. Cheers Jock PS Thanks for invite to use your flat at New Year, very generous of you and Linda

Wasnt it issued on 7" fairly recently though, by the CD guys, so it is legal I think? If I am not imagining it can anyone say if its still readily available?

It had the odd play in 80's Mel,never enough though, great record.

I woudn't call it R&B, great midtempo soul to me!

Hi Gareth, forgot to say the Herman Hitson version is on clips here, assume thats the CD version (I can't listen to it), if not let me know and I can put it up. As you say I think that is the strongest version by far. CD has another good unissued track on it that I think would sound good out, put it in the CD only thread yesterday. Great CD overall, with great mixture of styles. Cheers Jock

I think you will find most sensible people think its far cooler to have bought the record new because you liked it rather than now just because everyone else likes it, regardless of price at any time, its known as taste over sheep! Or maybe being a music fan rather than a vinyl fan. Very strange logic in your sentences above.

It's Growing - margie joseph - atlantic unearthed soul sisters cd 14728 refosoul Great singer, fantastic song. Not the best version but then thats not an insult. Good finisher!!Good night!

Cant Stop A Man In Love - wilson pickett - atlantic - soul brothers 14727 refosoul Great version of that Ruben Howell pop stomper played at a certain venue!

You Got Me Walking - cicero blake - grapevine - chicago soul survey cd;s 14726 refosoul Whata great version, really rate Ciceros stuff and this is up there,Like all of the CD'S I have mentioned so far they are all available and really you need your head examined if you aren't snappiung these up to waltz around your living room to!!

I Want Sunday Back Again - bettye swann - rhino - you better believe it 2 cd 14725 refosoul One of my favorite female vocalists, more subtle, more countrified, but such great voice. Dreamy soul music.

Believe In Me - david sea - rabbit factory - sound of birmingham cd 14724 refosoul Another of our big hitter vocalists, and another truly awseome track that would ahve been holding up the tents around the world if on 45.

Don't Take Your Love - herman hitson - soul-tay-shus 14723 refosoul WOOOOOOW. Great uplifting. life affirming music. I hope someone out there has played this. Do you get bulk discount at vinyl carvers??

I'll Try Something New - barbara mcnair - motown - the ultimate collection cd 14722 refosoul Okay appreciate that half the CD has already been posted but due to recent events another Barbara is surely acceptable. And the fact this is the best track on the CD by an Oceans length!

I'm Guilty - vernon garret - kent - i made my own world cd 14721 refosoul Another of the truly great vocalists we are lucky enough to have witnessed, R&Bish thumper to me, what do I know though!!

I Can Feel The Pain - bobby taylor - motown - anthology cd 14720 refosoul Version of the Ivy Joe classic which seems at last to be getting its day, wasnt sure this was as strong but more I hear of this the more its growing, Bobby is definitely the Man. Vinyl Carvers here I come!

Look At Me Now - ethics - wale - best of ethics cd 14719 refosoul Okay I assume you mean stuff being released now on CD but recorded earlier rather than current CD's so have stuck to Northernish stuff. First one a right belter, one for Those Funky Kids out there, like their track currently being played, great uptempo thing.

Okay I knew I shouldn't have got into this but now I have started it seems rude not to respond. I am a bit confused since you seemed to have ignored what I said and answered something different. I appreciate most people are bored about this argument, having seen it a number of times on here, mostly by me, but I am going to carry it on for a number of reasons. (1) I have had a long weekend, first for ages, and am grumpier than usual. (2) That long weekend had fantastic music that reminded me of the spirit of the 80's. (3) During that long weekend discussed on how on Web many people misrepresent the 80's or just pretend it didn't happen. You have done this on a number of occasions. That is fact not opinion. (4) I hate misrepresentation of any history, and particularly something I care about. You made a number of misrepresentations. I did not say that 79-81 was the best ever as you will see from quote below. I would not comment on 74-76 as I wasn't there, I was too young. Surely nobody would pass opinion on something he did not experience. Furthermore you presented a number of things as facts, not opinions, which were wrong. Since you were not there you are either un-informed or ill-informed by my judgement. You firstly said that people left at the tail end of Wigan due to pop etc, then contradicted that by saying it was before last 2 years, My understanding from others is the pop era was 76-78ish. Therefore well before the tail end of Wigan. These seem to contradict each other, what era are you talking about, did you go the last couple of years or had you left due to the pop era? To be honest my grump is more at your incorrect comments re 80's scene, the reason last couple of years at Wigan is relevant is the music laid the foundations for the scene to come and also some of those people, as Rod said above, were the people that took the scene in the 80's by the scruff of the neck and carried on the ethics of playing new quality music. I am not commenting on your reasons for not going, they are yours and it was your choice, but as you say above your were not there, but you surely did comment on them as below. Look back to one of Simsy's thread and you will see there were many venues in the 80's, as you say you were not there so why pass comment on it. The main thing was people travelled wherever to get the music, not just 10 miles down the road and therefore we went to whatever venue the music was being played at. Your comment on the scene coming back to life is very much presented as a fact not an opinion, you cant have an opinion on what the scene was like before you were there surely, or do you mean it came to life when you returned?. Really not sure what the rest of your stuff is about but I do not think it is relevant to my point, and I do not have opinions on most of todays scene as I am really not there that much. I am now boring myself on this, so going to leave it. I just want people to be correct with their statements on the 80's scene. You most definitely were not. I am off to be sedated. Jock O'Connor

Rod was not meant to be a dig at Baz, just saying I dont remember him at all the things I went to in the 80's, not to say they werent there, but it kind of ridicules ScallyBobs implication they were carrying on the flame alone during the 80's. Sure Baz would be first to put him right on that, it was me trying to illustrate just how much of a history rewriting exercise it was in our Scally's world which I suspect is a fairly local world! One different perspective is I have a slightly different take on the 70's stuff from Wigan, as for me they were played equally at end days of Wigan it was always the norm for me and therefore have always been into new soul as much as 60's so am kinda grateful for that. However do agree were periods of Stafford that reinforced that best allnighter music is a good 60's record! Cheers Jock Jock

Cleared post since Rachel had already moved relevant part. Confused you will be with the next episode of Soul-Source

Possibly the most un-informed or, as I suspect, ill informed post on here yet, which says something. As Wigan drew to a close (the final 2 years is all I know) the new music being played was probably better than the scene has ever experienced since, just the crowds weren't there. WTF were the tourists and publicity 79-81?The pop stuff had mostly (with one obvious exception!) pretty much gone with the crowds. There was more than the "odd do" on in the 80's, not sure I noticed Baz or Flanny at most of them but I was having lots of fun so didnt see everyone, mostly musicly carrying on the spirit of the final years of Wigan, great new music with people willing to challenge perceptions. The crowds may have been smaller but to many the people were also the best that has been on the scene since! To many the time you call the scene coming back to life was the time to move on. I really cant be arsed debating this any more as nobody seems to want to listen, the story of the 80's isnt written (yet?) in any books or debated endlessly at the endless reunions currently going on (thankfully) although there are some threads on here might give you a little bit better information. I just hate history being re-written, in any field, and your cursory lines say it all. Off for my gin drip! Jock O'Connor