jocko

It was mate, not sure he knew anything about its Northern plays though as he said full name. I managed to pick the LP up on holiday in Canada just a few weeks later, I drag it out every so often and think HTF did that ever get played (and thats just looking at the album cover )

A Billy Davidson spin from many moons ago, as always a man ahead of his time, and other peoples too obviously Agree with Epic, most stuff they do is fantastic.

Russ I think you have made 2 great points, most important is catching the feel and the times, things like the real music by the real artists is crucial, and I think, to agree with your second pont is much more important than arguing about which record is on there. It has to relay peoples experience, but to me its about making people almost smell that time. That is very difficult to me on film, so therefore attention to detail should be about the people on the film And lets be honest a film purely about Wigan is not going to work, it has to be a great script about people for whom Wigan is a passion as you can't replay the place but you can relay peoples emotions and thoughts, that to me will make it a masterpiece, and why to me OUATIW was the best piece of drama I have ever experienced. The Northern scene to me was made by the people, and before any wisecrack comes along that doesn mean I don't put the music first, but I can and do listen to that constantly on my own. This scene was made, and sadly is now f***ked, by the quality of people around, that to me is what this film should be about. Film is drama, lets not forget that though.....

No Del, meant I am going to write a script about this thread, much less hassle and should be easier to get the level of authenticity required for a work of fiction that a film normally is ........on second thoughts maybe not, would be getting everyone telling me I had used the wrong fonts, or too much italics...... back to the drawing board

Harry surprised at you mate, thought you would have been in the small but beautifully formed group that went to Wigan Tiffanys and watched the rare soul scene being born! No fuzzy faced fakes at that night, from what I know of you Harry you would have loved it. Thanks to that night there was no need to look back for a long time. Its gone, surely people are bored talking about it, everyone has different memories, most were in mid teens so obviously it was best time of our lifes in some way, but it was only starting musically for many. Okay story over, can we close this thread now please, I am off to write a script about it.........................

At last a sensible answer, was going to make same comment but didn't as no doubt people would have though me being my usual moaning, elitist self, as I believe has been said. Southern soul means something way outside the concept of Northern, and is genuinely a genre of Soul. And to the guy you are quoting, to say you can't define the genre is nuts, read Peter Guralnick Sweet Soul Music, and learn something. JH you may be one of those pesky young but not so young types, but I like you, you listen and learn, and know a lot more than some of those old but definitely old types.

Pretty sure Rob Marriott played it out a couple of times, it was on that great 4 CD anthology which also had Sweet Thing, that Rob definitely played out and at least one other unreleased thing was it not. Can't listen to this but does it not start with a great spoken bit. Never see that CD set for sale, don't suppose anyone has a spare lying unloved and unwanted in their loft?? Cheers Jock

Hi there can anyone load up a sound file of the above, pretty urgently needed thanks. Jock

Andy I think you assume here mate, I buy lots of that stuff (although admittedly on CD these days, as have decided 12"s take too much space) and spent an awful lot of time in "real" house clubs. All I am saying is stuff like that, and the best of contemporary soul also, is inhibited by having to fit any sort of Northern connection or ideals or more importantly punters who like easy on the ear stuff. I am not saying that it shouldn't be played. I also think it stands up more than enough on its own that it doesn't need a Northern connection, (other than ageing punters like you and Pete H ) which sounds awful like a night you already run does it now?.

I am pretty sure I heard that when one of the Karls played at Lowton, it was fantastic, what label is it on?

Spot on with this one Mel, I obviously wasn't around in 74/75 but the Modern scene that was attached to the Northern scene until its mostly demise in mid 90's was completely based on the 79/80 start, many of us did both, although the Modern scene never really got going as a separate entity from an all nighter point of view, not sure why. Current Modern scene, or the one that really plays new music, is probably actually getting further away from any Northern connection again, and probably appears to be the smallest it ever has. To be honest I think that is a good thing its getting seperated, as otherwise it will only be the most instant stuff that gains any favour.

Right can't believe I have sat up and watched this with work in a few hours, but Sam & Dave made it all worthwhile, they were just awesome, great feet and great voices, absolute dynamite to quote a cliche. Just brilliant When Edith Piaf said no regrets she had obviously been lucky enough to see Sam & Dave live, oh for a time machine!

Joe Tex might disagree, he mixes some interesting humour with great soulful singing, Not at home at moment, but will put Linda Jones up when I get home for you, be warned close the curtains and sit down before you listen to it, it is quite life changing!

Fantastic record, had a fair few spins from Colin Law in 80's, but one I could imagine still a lot of mileage in it. Have heard it a few times lately (and I don't go out much!) so assume there is a bit of a buzz on it? Definitely sounds good out loud so more power to the players of this.

Is finding things in flea markets really a judge of rarity, does that that mean things like Don Gardner beng found for a dollar (okay many moons ago, but principal surely the same) means it is not rare. Strange logic to me. And as Chirs says, as discussed on here before, a beaut of a record asking for plays.

A large minibus and I would have agreed, however we were having fun honest!

Interesting point Pete, think you forgot to put IYO after this, I seem to remember a large amount of us having a ball, including 70's music Again IYO Mr Smith, appreciate you have had a shit day (and for what its worth I think you were treated very poorly re that record deal) but surely even you can see this depends on when you started, I went from late 70's and by this time 70's were fairly common, by 81 a completely integrated part of the northen scene for most of us! I think this is a very valid point, the Modern scene, always seemed more about soul nights, except early Southport days, back in the day, and would suppose the current contemporary scene, even more Soul night based as there are lots on this with no links to Northern.

Jeez Steve Blackbeat obviously is a long time ago, and you have obviously forgotten what you and it stood for when you join the lazy brigade who throw the rather pathetic soul police*** insult because someone dares to question some of your logic. I stand by what I say, it sounds bizarre to hear something like this in the middle of a set of 60's only, as I have seen listed, or in the middle of a bunch of slightly funky, soft edged 70's as seems most common. It just doesn't work, I didn't say it wasn't Northern as thats a pointless debate. Your comment about fading it out probably sums it up, like it or not these records are made to be mixed, at least segued, listen to Mr Randle for how to play these in a sympathetic fashion, or Fish how to mix them seamlessly with no fuss, this is how they should be played, IMVHO. And among a number of sympathetic records, thats what I am saying. The fact Michael Proctor (and I like it, bought it new) is the House equivalent of The Snake is neither here nor there for this thread. *** Ironic as most people would have you as one of them, and I would have thought you were proud of it, obviously not! If you really want to hear them in their best environment get yourself a Paul "Trouble" Anderson mixtape, you may see the error of your ways/ And before the usual post before you read brigade hammer me, I am not slagging it as music per se, I have more than a few such records, just a bit mystified in the rush to play the odd one, particularly if Uncle Sam has deemed it acceptable

Only if its to say that after listening to Al Green you realise how inconsequential and irrelevant the doddery old git (Weller) is. Otherwise off to some non soul site to discuss him, sure you will find lots of willing listeners!!!

Sorry Catriona it was you, should have know with your good taste you would have been on it. Just finally listened to the Incognito at weekend, and yes really good, nothing new but nowt wrong with that when its such good quality.

I think you will find stuff like this got big plays as new release but probably not on the Northern scene where I assume you are referring to, I loved stuff like this when it came out and still do in right environment, but must admit can't quite get my head round how stuff like this goes in a Northern set, a bit surreal for me I must admit. Maybe I am a dinosaur in denial

I don't know, to my ears that should set a dancefloor alight, however not sure my ears are that well tuned to current day dance floors!! Great tune, well worth a play out in my book. Rare I assume?

I don't think anyones actually knocking the record itself, the point is we are saying there are lots of better records which are more authentic, that's not just because it was made today, thats based on quality and comparison, like all records put up for play, nothing more, nothing less. As for getting the band exposure, I think the hypes been great for that but how many people will follow that up and buy there CD, which is really where the band need the support. I actually think the same of Sharon Jones records to be honest, I have bought them all for their actual artistic merit rather than any connection to my Northern records. Now live is another thing, would die to see SJ, and am sure KGF would be interesting, although not vocally as dynamic. And surely you are the biggest critic of the sheep mentality so how come you don't think its wrong it will be played in every soul night (well 472 anyway, accounting for the 28 like me who bought the record for the records sake, not the DJ hype) every week for at least the next year. It was fun while it lasted but in reality like all hype its day was shortlived at the cutting edge, now its woolyback material only, So you like contemporary soul and house too? That why you are Sam's biggest fan then I think you are the only one claiming its judged on its recording date rather than its actual merit.

Yes, good shout mate, he has done a couple of decent albums this decade but this is by far the best, really enjoying the duets on it too. It has been mentioned on here a couple of times, normally by me or Toad, but its normally followed by the sound of tumbleweed shortly after! Think there may even be a couple of sound clips on refosoul from it.