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As much as I love Linda Jones, I actually can't see how she would improve on Alice Clark to be honest. This is one of these records that in all honesty I have only really properly appreciated in the last 5 years (AC that is), listening to it properly on CD her vocal is just flawless and as a Northern record is almost unbeatable, slowly creeping into my all time top 10 in fact I would say,

I think it is mate, I am slightly older than Chris, although obviously don't look it, and British has always been a no no for me, gave the ones I had all away in mid 80's when I stupidly did the US only stance, one I gave away was a beautiul Marvin Gaye R&W, can't remember which one but it did look nice. Like Chris, still can't get on with British, but nowadays if its cheap enough (like a Jean Plum UK demo with both sides hint hint) I'll take owt!!

Nice to be able to agree for once Mr D, and I suspect despite your youthfull but slightly LA ravaged looks, you were there at the above time! Although I assume you were one of these old c's that was getting told to go away in James' post earlier that seems to disappeared. Lost the will to live on this, as assumed this was all about the new funk Boys trying to wind the old soul boys up to make up for the absence of any scene they can spend their time on, but the missing posts seem to mean its too fragmented to follow. Does this mean you are now back to being a young Funk Boy James and don't love us anymore? Although your shortest post on this earlier, other then the ridiculous point scoring attack on Chalky, actually was on the button, assume that has sadly dissapeared too. Oh well, back to sticking to my media thread only promise, sadly work means can't play on here much during the day so too much to catch up. Off for a Kool and The Gang funk session, altogether now Celebrate.......can't beat a bit of revisionism to end the day on.

Serious question here, why not just buy this on CD to play, surely as an ex house dj if you aren't bothered about originals the format doesn't matter? The CD if available might even put some money in the artists pocket, depending on who did it......

Think thats more because of its familiarity than the actual record Lennie,I actually think the interplay and the just the energy of it makes it one of their best actually, Woudn't mind hearing it out once ever blue moon, but please lets not have a repeat of Ain't No Mountain High Enough where Baa, Baa and all the brothers start chasing it and playing it everywhere Surely stuff like this the advantage of it is playing it once as a surprise but changing the surprise record every spot?

Valerie Simpson has always categorically denied this, even in recent interviews. A friend who like myself has almost all A&S stuff, but has a better ear than me for voices swears it is her, but who knows. It certainly isn't Tammi, can't remember if it actually says anything in Tammi's sisters book, would not be surprised if it didn't. I did try and get close enough to her last year at Birmingham to ask but I was too busy salivating over one of the greatest live concerts ever witnessed.....

Are you saying you have nothing to do with this film in any way then? Bloody hell had a few PM's telling me to have a look at this, need to digest it properly, but can't believe some of the people of the live and let live type opinion, I suspect Paul's personality on here means people want to have a dig at him just for the sake of it, but he raises some interesting points that, as usual, no-one answers. I'll say same as I said at start, I don't expect a documentary, that would be a mistake, but I see no reason to accept sub-standard research and characterisation just because its about Northern, I really struggle with so many people saying who cares, its better than nothing, anyone remember the play on TV towards end of Wigan, was that better than nothing, I totally agree that this should be judged on its merits as a film and not as a documentary of the Northern scene, however that doesn't mean any old shit is acceptable, it should have standards of integrity and care that any period piece has. I want a great film that makes me proud of what I was part of not embarrassed, and that goes for any film about anything I care about, its almost a f**cking crime on here to care these days. And as for everyone being nice about Isabel, she is the one saying its only a film, lots of people care too much about Northern scene to be bastardised so why should they just accept that opinion, if you are going to put opinions up here surely you should be expected to justify them, rather than say lets wait when that opinion is challenged. At end of day lots of people have spent lots of years and lots of energy on the Northern scene, off course they are going to care, if people don't care why bother getting involved, the least we deserve is respect and artistic integrity from the film makers, if they don't care about their product why should anyone who is interested in the scene care? So far some of the schoolboy errors on clip and the fact their people are refusing to debate some of the points made, does not bore well. Lots of my points could be answered by some dialogue which seems to have closed down as soon as the negative opinions appeared. I suppose you lot thought Escape to Victory was acceptable because it had some famous people and was about football......

Very good mate, witty ripostes are meant to be all your own idea though rather than having to borrow somebody elses, particularly a girls! PS Only kidding I think its the bees knees, I wish all soul do's didn't bother playing any soul, would make this scene much nicer place, now if you are not going to appreciate my pearls of wisdom I am off over to the media thread, I will leave this to you lot.

Oh for goodness sake, I expect less bleeding heart stuff from you, he asked a question and it got the answer it deserved, and given the posters previous form on here for being mischievous and his response to me I suspect he was not really expecting an easy ride, why don't we change the rules on here and say you can only say nice things to people, lets not call it a discussion forum, lets call it a sycophantic gathering. Godz, your tail thorns are obviously going soft in your old age. Now if he had asked if it should be played at a George Lemmons/Vic Reeves pub singer tribute night, the answer might have been different...... And yes I am suffering Monday blues, heightened by missing Hesitations at weekend thanks to fu**ing Ryan Air,

Oii you grumpy git, I was sticking up for you, and if you change the end to its not your taste rather than its flicking crap, then it would be easier to do so, Get over to the house thread and calm down.

No its not, and if you really think that then you obviously have little interest in the wider spectrum of Black music outwith your own dance scene, not something I thought would be true of you. As I said to your ex-lover Fryer, re-writing the history of Black America to suit a dance scene populated by mostly middle class white kids, stinks of something very stinky. If you are meaning the scene invented by Keb now populated by about 4 people all of about 15 years ago, then say so and be clear, although I suspect even then your comparison is very wide of the mark, although am no expert in that stuff, obviously! I think the Black American culture has had enough revisionism for a number of generations don't you! Now I am totally lost, as previously said get yourself along to Soul Essence for a great example of people dancing all night, and day, to crossover, if may not have the stimulus as these beat driven parties I assume you are preferring, but it's a celebration with the feet of some wonderful soul music, which if you read enough, seems to be the way much of it was designed to be appreciated. I am assuming this is a Steve G assassination attempt rather than a serious debate as your attempts to define Crossover (or Xover as it should be obviously known now) are all over the shop, its obviously a question aimed at UK scene so not sure where the Black/White reference comes from, pretty irrelevant to any related UK scene, and the rest are just dictionary definitions. No-one seems to have read Shineheads perfect answer, the classic definition is per Voices from Shadows article, and current definition is now probably Just Soul (© Hampsey/Taylor 2010) and encompasses many styles driven by the vocal as opposed to the beat, and long may that avenue be open, its s a refuge for the much maligned soul fan to retreat to without accusations of being a soul snob for expecting the music described as soul to sound like eh....soul! Excellent post as ever GS, but I do have to disagree with above (nice to be able to disagree with you at last) as I totally understand where people come from on this, I think sometimes as soul fans, its easy to forget people are fans of the dance rather than the music, and therefore there is no reason for Northern fans to like crossover or funk, what I think is wrong when they say it isn't soul music, a far greater crime in my eyes.

I was just on my way back up to chastise Terry but you are much more qualified, and very well said!! You really need to write more Mr G (cmon how much flattery is it going to take before we see Blackbeat 2010, at least an online version )

Surely the minute you play something like this the night stops being a soul night, or am I just being a soul snob*** again............ *** I really do hope so!

I agree with you totally re the current definition being different, but that is really as a symptom I think of the whole 70's movement now being attached to it, I do think you are being a bit simplistic, and unfair over it being the cause of empty dancefloors, is that not now the due to the same reason as ever, dj's who don't know what to do with that sort of music??? I know for a fact Soul Essence doesn't have a minute of empty dance floor never mind an hour and it plays "crossover" all weekend, or a fair chunk of it, and I suspect Just Soul and Monumental and similar dos have very busy dance floors all night, so I think the issue is horse for courses, people go to these venues knowing exactly what they want. I don't really know many crossover fans that go to an all-nighter expecting an hour of it to be honest, in fact most don't go to all nighters now, which I think is an interesting observation, but for another thread, The real issue is I suspect lots of people judge it without knowing what it really is or any of it history, lots of the initial stuff was not slow or even mid-tempo, that's more prominent now and is used only at the right venues, the original stuff was appearing at end of Stafford, Buddy Ace, Buddy Connor, etc etc so its hardly new, the Stafford playlists were littered with crossover in its original definition and it was still up-tempo dance music. An Andy Whitmore set is full of "kicking" stuff and is very rarely down tempo, just sadly lots of todays DJ's haven't been able to replace guys like him, although interesting to see lots of his plays ala Ethics, Larry Davis, Cloveers, now recognised as worthy of play at these kicking uptempo do's, years after being crossover classics. I wouldn't mind but lots of these kicking 60's that people getting excited over arent' really that new, the ones I read about are basically lots of rehashes of stuff that was being played all over the place in the 80's, mixed in with this now much maligned crossover! I am off over the crossover thread to post some stuff that isn't really crossover, just to keep people confused.......

You really are acting your age and its related grumpiness now Petra, I suspect Russ, like me, was being very toungue in cheek in response to your early remarks! I don't think anyone actually knows what it is now, and more to the point whether anyone who cares, gives a flying f**k what Northern fans think of crossover. And of course the real point here is you are obviously spending half your days in the crossover thread under an assumed name or else you wouldn't know so much about it now!!

It's a soul thing Pete, you'll never understand it, now get over to the anything with a beat section or I'll get Captain Ken the Mod to shout at you. PS it actually means anything that a small group of us want to put on Refo-Soul and can't find another tag for if you really want to know.

Cmon Ken, don't forget your new responsibilities, it has the E word, get it over to Freebasing, can't have one rule for some...... And somebody already answered it he might have been soulful, in some peoples opinion, but he aint a soul singer, so Freebasing NOW

Okay I have just wasted my last 30 minutes on this, don't normally even read these but based on James' comments on Stafford thread and the PMs re his comments thought I should have a look see, nothing new, just lots of personal agendas and incredibly split views of 2 differing scenes. Nothing to change my mind that the nostalgia scene has little in common with any scene I am proud to have been involved in, but nothing worth challenging either. Nothing to make me change my mind that the nostalgia scene slowly strangled the "real" NS but the actual murder has definitely been people allegedly within the progressive side, however in the sake of making my time spent not totally worthless a few points I would make are Very astute observation, not one I had thought about before but probably has more than a large chunk of truth in it. What bit James, that there are 2 scenes or that Butch cares about playing new music. Your implication here is he doesn't which I find very difficult to believe and I would suggest it is you twisting things to further state your change in stance and ever increasing love of all things Stoke. And as for the not being 2 scenes, there are 104 variations of 2 very difference scenes, if you are now denying that then you are the David Irving of NS By implication you are insinuating these records are better than Butch's discoveries of the last 20 years, which for many people they are not, and again it's a sad indictment of the terminally ill state of current scene that people even think there is any difference between what he has played over last 20 years and the sort of records that he plays at KH. Pathetic. And literally going back to basics would surely be playing lots of new things alongside the older things, which until relatively recent times was the NS scene, another classic case of re-writing history, that sad but common English and American trait, ironically.

Had to read that again, got all excited wondering about the Clarence Reid Uni LP I had never heard of!! I assume the other part of the question is did the CR track appear on any LP, I have 2 on Alston and its not on there.

I think "Al" is just being modest, as a regular at Shotts etc. when Northern wasn't the overblown commercial enterprise it is now, Al (real name can be divulged if I get a big enough bribe )was a pretty regular Northern guy who had pretty good taste in that field too, he has managed to keep the same integrity through his various musical incarnations too if you ask me. Brilliant site "AK" and more importantly great mixes and great great taste in most things you do mate, good to see someone keep the quality vibe going. Have I said enough nice things to be let into one of your Glasgow parties now, running the fear I will frighten the crowd with not only my dad dancing but my rapidly whitening hair, I could always ask Kerso to bring me as he has kept his youthful looks Take care mate. PS The name could have been much worse, thank god it was Ric Tic and not Golden World where most of the names are Female

Let me guess you have a multi coloured one, its amazing how many times you or your other half denigrate a records price when its one you do not have!

Since the 80's the red/white was always deemed to be rarer, and that opinion is not influenced in any way by the fact that that I have one for sale for the very reasonable price of £110 in my sales thread!

Okay another update as amazingly some still trickling out, some great stuff there, too good to sell in current state was how someone put it on Saturday,or maybe my taste is as bad as some of you have been trying to tell me for years. Anymore for anymore, off on holiday after Thursday so get in touch before then if interested. Cheers Jock

As Pat says the water damaged ones were the second batch of copies that came in via soul bowl back in early 80''s, never heard of them being bootlegs. FOr a while the majority of the copies available were I believe water damaged. And hopefully not being naughty but I have a completely mint labeled one with no water damage for same price that has been lying in sales for about a month! Let me kno if anyone interested now Pat has sold his,

I also thought they were now doing their own releases too? Whatever top top choice, any chance of some Fame deep CD's or am I being too greedy now? Although you have now given me an uncomfortable vision of Tony in stetson slapping his thighs ) shouting yeeha when he got the rights! (sorry Mr Rounce