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I suspect that is the one Mr R, couldn't find CD last night to confirm, hadn' t realised it was on the 45 also, I really should buy them, I assume it is the 7" you are saying is selling out rather than CD? Give Tim a kick in nomads and tell him to stop being miserable, this one would sound amazing at 6am in 100 club, when all the tempo terrorists are buffing their soles getting ready to march home...... I actually had heard very little LWJ stuff, but always seen him namechecked as one of the greats, so over last year treated myself to all 4, I think it was 4, Kent and ACE cd's, with the view of listening end to end, not done that as yet so that may be my "chore" for the weekend. Sounds like one of those artists worth studying to understand the roots of our beautiful music, Soul that is.

I forgot about this, thanks for the tips about Roger on ebay,. used to buy all my Kent off him via his website so glad to see he is still there, yes a bit dearer than Amazon but worth it to kepp the source going and for the great service. Oh yes, the CD, f*****g amazing, sorry for offending all those faint hurts on SS who don't run free and are obviously offended by swearing, but sometimes the end justifies the means...... Only listened to it twice as most of my listening in car or while under the influence of my latest gin injection, this deserves a darkened room, an expensive brandy, no computer or TV, just me and Candi,getting down and dirty, Genuinely the CD of the century. I love it. Back with more after my session with Candi One confession, I had previously missed her version of Blackmail, couldn't believe it was on one of the LP's I had, great version and was straight on decks for EMS weekender, sounding amazing!

A very talented man and very varied output. Another one gone too soon. R.I.P.

And if I remember rightly there is at least one better dancer on the CD it was on, as well as an awesome beat ballad that would go down well in the right place. Another awesome CD that Kent should be not only have our caps raised to them, we should be buying them pints whenever they seem, sure the lads could do with some sustenance! Not to say this is not a great dancer in its own right, would love to throw myself around dance floor to this, assume not much chance these days given its availability. Proper Black dance music..........

I think for the Gloria Scott sell it on E-Bay, its the Ruby Andrews of the 70's world, and it ends most big nights with a big sing along, also massive in Europe still so I think you would get much more elsewhere, unless they are sensible enough not to worry about LP or 7".......

If you still have this, I will take it. Can't PM at moment, trying to stop buying vinyl but always wanted this version.Let me know by PM and I will sort it out tonight. CheersJock

Were these not your words? Why don't you go away, like I have, and let people have a good debate as some people are on about interesting things, such as Ady etc were. You are tiring me now. but wherever you go, there will always be a blinkered cross-section of people (OK, soul snobs if you want), namely:

I have never liked people who spout off about things they know nothing about, thats nothing new to anyone on here, I have never liked bigots, that is nothing nobody on here already knew, so you have hardly exposed anything new other than your inability to answer any of my points. I repeat you still have not answered one of any of my specific points, other than have cheap jibes. Not really worth me hanging around for a debate is it.

Guilty as charged Winnie, and I have apologised to Mike directly for the hassle I have caused. I will be honest and say it was very deliberately personal as I do not see the difference between that and the bits highlighted below. I am only sorry it allowed the usual mod bashers here to drag Chalky into it, I really do not know why you guys put up with it. It is starting all over again with Chalky just like it used to with Karen, just because they dare to have an opinion! I am sure you will be on the list soon. I cannot say I am sorry about my response, as if you read the bits highlighted below you will see that not only was it never just about naming blue eyed soul stuff and does not mention Northern once in its setting out, it is fairly personal. I just don't see throwing direct insults nicely as being any better than my response. The ill-informed part comes from the fact it is so obviousl from the list of records Soul is being used for Northern, which no matter which way you look at it, is ill-informed, particularly in current scene. The summing up, which I have also highlighted is hardly balanced either. I am afraid I think pathetic, peurile and ill-informed is the only logical response I have, and I won't apologise for that. I think I did set out logically and reasoned why I thought that, and set that out as facts, both in my first response and then the next one, which had little insult in it. Neither has actually been debated if you read over this, sadly this often happens, people throw things up, the original reason for getting pi**ed at them then is lost in the bun fight, partly my fault for my tactic in this. It is just another example of how little fact is debated on here sadly, FreeBasing seems the only place for that now, ironically. ***************************************************************************************************************** The debate on the Javells post regarding black soul v white soul really got me thinking, and relating the differing views to my 27 years on the scene. I like to think that soul music is as diverse as the people who listen to it and buy the music - but wherever you go, there will always be a blinkered cross-section of people (OK, soul snobs if you want), namely: - Those who refuse to acknowledge "white" records as soul, and will refuse to listen, buy, or even dance to them. - Those who refuse to have anything to do with soul sounds that don't originate from certain states of the USA, or from the USA as a whole. - Those who hastily write off all blue-eyed soul as pop. And, on the same hand... Those who are so blinkered and narrow-minded that they refuse to open their minds or even listen to other types of music other than soul (who even go as far as slating R&B as "rock n' roll" in a derogatory sense), or records that sell for over, say, the £300 price tag. I'm sure there are some that will only listen to records by white artists, but I guess it's safe to say that they are a different entity who have no place on the scene! So, how about a list of "white" records that have always been greately revered on the soul scene, many of which are personal favourites of mine. Which of these are yours? THE MARTELLS: Where Can My Baby Be THE DEADBEATS: No Second Chance THE MODS: Dry My Eyes DEAN COURTNEY: I'll Always Need You BOBBY PARIS: I Walked Away GARY SOL'E: Holdin' On TONY COLTON: I Stand Accused MARK LOYD: When I'm Gonna Find Her LYNNE RANDELL: Stranger In My Arms B J THOMAS & THE TRIUMPHS: Keep It Up THE BUCK ROGERS MOVEMENT: Take It From Me Girl JOANNIE SOMMERS: Don't Pity Me ROCK CANDY / CONTEMPLATIONS: Alone With No Love (I'm assuming it's white) NICKY JAMES: So Glad We Made It STEVE ALDO: YOu're Absolutely Right THE SEVEN SOULS: I Still Love You (bearing in mind the 50-50 mix of black and white in the group) THE TEMPESTS: Just about anything they've committed to vinyl (and yes, I know Hazell Martin is a black singer!) I'd take a safe guess that there is at least one record or artist here that would be a fave of anyone pigeon-holed in the categories mentioned above. So, snobbery, purism, hypocrisy, or just plain narrow-mindedness? What do you think? Would be interesting to see all sides to the debate following this, so let's open the floor......

Just calling me names while ignoring the facts is not debating.

Sometimes enough is enought with the stupid attitudes, its time the "soul snobs" hit back. I repeat for the hard of thinking nothing about the orignal post was about Northern hence I will defend my right to defend music I love. The humouros approach has obviously not worked, and I niavely thought a rant might make the ignorant people think. Obviously too optimisitic. And WTF has Gene's origin got to do with it, a fact I already knew. Is that the old I can't be racist as I have Asian mates defence, never does wash with me I am afraid.

Grow up FFS. Read Bobs one line answer to Pete which summarises the facts and then debate the facts rather than how you wish the facts were. You still have not answered one of my points.

And just in case you miss it in my multitude of words, this is exactly the point, and calling people names because of it.

Okay, thought I would stand back and let this develop, Firstly, my style of response was very deliberate for a couple of reasons, with more vitriol than normal and deliberately little humour, and based on the responses I take it (a) Gene thinks it is okay to call people's names just because they like soul but does not think it is okay to defend yourself to this name calling in big bad nasty way, Who is the hypocrite here? (b) It is okay to start a topic for debate, by basically slagging a group of people, soul fans who dare to debate on a debating forum about music they love and defend that music against people whose only argument is to call them names, but it is not okay to defend that position. Who is the hypocrite? Go on and read Gene's words and his opening assumptions if you don't allow pop music to be called Soul, not Northern, then its open season on name calling. Its not my opinion on what is in Soul music, its a historical fact, hence my suggesting he educates himself with reading a world leading book on the fact. Ignorance is almost always behind intolerance, which calling people soul snobs because they like soul most definitely is. © Pete, the normal doyen of free speech, gets offended when someone defends themselves because they swear. Yet he gets annoyed when people try to shout down racist and bigoted bile that often used to be spewed on here, shouting about being beaten down by the "loonie left". Who is the hypocrite here? In all honest I am pig sick of people like Gene with this soul snob etc etc shite. and it does make me angry, I repeat its peurile, pathetic and uninformed. If I am wrong on this Gene debate the points I made rather than throwing a strop because I called you nastier names than you called us. Go on and read the facts between the swear words and debate them. Perception is a powerful thing and based on your point on your topic and your responses, most of my assumptions of you stand based on your stance, I have no other way to judge you. The ironic thing is I get accused of trying to define Northern when that is exactly the opposite of what I was doing, Sometimes its easy to miss the point when you are trying to defend the indefensible. Bob A gets it completely, no surprise really, if Gene had debated about this on the Northern Scene I wouldn't even have read it. He didn't, he decided to re-write the Soul music history, and as Bob says that is history, not an opinion, it is well documented fact. Am I sorry I wrote how I did, absolutely not, what I am sorry was it did not start the debate I wanted about this pathetic stance about soul snobs etc. Gene didn't even read it properly as he seems to think I am saying something about Northern, when it is quite clear I am not. However I couldn;t answer that, why, Gene closed it because I called him names in response to him calling me names, collectively rather than personally admittedly, quite ridiculous really. If you don't want to feel people angry at you think what you say, I challenge you to re-read your opening post and see any sort of balanced view or debate in that, you were stating a position and calling people names because they disagree with it. Hardly a debate is it. I repeat pathetic and peurile. Change my perception if you can.

I think this is one of the most moronic, ill informed and pathetic posts ever, and typifies why I f**cking shake my head whenever a Northern fan tries to initiate a debate on soul. Obviously all in my opinion only. There is no white Soul or black Soul there is only Soul music, and until you and some others on here get that in your head then I am going to keep crawling out of retirement in my comfy gin soaked armchair and rant. The knobheads who go on about the colour only are as uninformed as you and your lot. Go and read Peter Guaralnick's fantastic book and come back after that. WTF does 27 years on a dance scene tell you about soul music, go and educate yourself FFS. Why does liking Northern actually mean you have the right to make any judgements on what is Soul, their relationship is sometimes little, lets be honest about that. It appears it was like this in the 70's and it appears again, probably no coincidence that lots of these people who only went for a couple of years in the 70's have suddenly found their faith, under the bed among a pile of sweaty badges. Some of us actually like both northern and Soul but if you want to talk about Soul don't judge it by the standards of a UK dance scene, WTF would you. And for those of who do like both, unsurprisingly we consider ourselves into Northern Soul and therefore like our music to be at least related to the wider genre at least, therefore like our music to have some soul connection, which obviously some blue eyed does. I do not know any real soul fan who states they do not like any blue eyed music, another anomaly I suspect from a Northern fan trying to be clever, and off course failing. And off course we are soul snobs, although to me its quality control and it rejects the pure pop pish that you and your like support. It has no place on my Northern scene and never will, it's a taste question, I have it, lots of others have it, you don't. It doesn't mean we all have to agree on that taste but the fact I won't accept it allows you and others to bang on with the soul snob thing. Pathetic, puerile and more about you than it is about me. Its nothing more than quality control to me, when the quality dips, I stop going out and leave it to the DLT fans like you. As ill informed as you obviously are, stand them in front of an Eddie Hinton record playing and beat them to a pulp till they get it. Although this to me is either a rare species that exist either not much or are in your imagination to allow you to continue your soul snot tirade, hiding the fact you just don't f****ng get it. WTF is your point here, can I have some of what you are taking please. I am a f***ing soul fan, its one of the greatest art forms ever produced, so of course if I could listen to it all the time I would, why should I waste my time on something that is sub quality. I do listen to other stuff, reject it and go back to soul. That in my view is proof of my good taste. When I go out to dance I want to dance to something that hits the spots on a number of points, and one of them is not being pop sh*te, if that makes me a snob so f****ng what, Get over yourself, there are loads of places that don't have that quality control but do not expect me to go. I repeat, I am soul fan, I want it wherever I go, you don't so lets make sure we are never in same place. Based on this I would hope that was inevitable. As for the rarity thing, WTF does that have to do with a soul debate. Definitely an issue but f**k all to do with your debate, and quite disturbing you even try to link the two. I doubt any of these are revered on the soul scene, they maybe on the Northern scene but why won't you get it into your head that there is soul scene that has nothing at all to do with Northern, and more importantly Northern does not define the whole soul scene. Maybe that is all you know but is just arrogant and misguided bullsh*t on your behalf to assume this. And before you come out with the usual don't get angry/personal, there is no other way to deal with rubbish like this. Not only do you re-write some American history, you attempt to re-write the history of the UK soul scene, really would have expected better from you. If you want to talk Northern scene off you go, just don't try and call it "the" soul scene.

Missed last nights show as on early flight this morning, still thinking of his music, can't load any music files at moment, which I will when back but these 2 articles for me give a great balanced view of this genuinely great, if obviously flawed, giant of a man. https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jun/19/gil-scott-heron-saved-me One of the many articles the Guardian produced on him, proving that when it puts it mind to it, rarely as that is these days, it can be a genuinely great paper https://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/gil-scott-herons-scornful-brilliance.html I pinched this of Stuart Cosgroves facebook, particularly fitting as Stuarts article for Echoes all those years ago introduced us to GSH, a very thoughtful and thought provoking article, I obviously never knew GSH but I really miss him as irrational as that obviously is......

Try Kenny Bobien or Byron Stingly if you want to hear contemporary soul music to dance to. If you want however to compare it to Northern take your head out your arse and stick to old music F***ng same old same old debate. Plan B a very very poor mans Common and f**k all to do with soul, pass me my syringe of gin please nurse.

For Sale, remember someone telling me these are a bit desired at moment and since they have been on the unloved and unused shelf for many years happy to let them go to a good home Bonnevilles - I'll Be Right There/Play It Cool (Now) Vinyl is Ex condition, IBRT side has very light ringwear on label £75 Joe Brown & Soul Eldorados - Vibration Pt 1 & 2 (FFA) £65 PM's, first come first served, postage at cost. I am working away a bit this week so may take a day or two to get back., Cheers Jock

Not keen on the wave of you tube clips, unless they are doing something different or special, and this certainly is, Not great quality clip but good enough to have the hairs on the soul of my feet standing to attention. Fantastic memories of balmy night in Stoke, one of the greatest ever.

And saving the best for last, having raided the archives, will go and record some more this week. This is probably more played out than any of the FW's or AW's but it still stops me in my tracks, memories of a golden time when it was all so much simpler and records like this were shattering my parameters of taste wide open.... Just one of the greatest 70's dancers ever (even though it was recorded in 1980 ). Sometimes its easy to forget that the reasons some things are overplayed is because they were so damn good in the first place. Ta I want a ski jumper again.. Dells - Your Song - Soul-tbc

Not their very best, which is not necessary an insult with this band, but a very happy sing along, played at right time in right dance floor just hits the spot, for me anyway. Dells - Don't Trick Metreat Me - Lp ?

Probably adopted by too many as thinking mans record to play (by too many who weren't really thinking) but it still sends shivers, just absolutely wonderful. Dance hall perfection. Dells Make Sure, oh for a miners welfare in Allanton somewhere, someday.... Dells - Ztbc - Soul-tbc

Cmon boys, these are already on here. Good shout Mr J, I think this is one of the first records I ever bought, sure heard it from Dave Evison at Clouds and couldn't believe it was £1.50 or something like that. Still sounds absolutely thrilling. Dells - Run For Cover - Soul-tbc

Good shout from the 2 Mr B's, special kudos to Mr Benson for the scan of this and that WD, never seen Inspiration on that label, just the one sided blue copy, whatever label on its stimulant in disguise as vinyl, absolute woosh of a sound. Sure it was one of the very many Ady Harley tips Dells - Inspiration - Cadet

Another of his rants that so sounded like great songs, you can see why he always thought of himself as a writer first and foremost, but boy he made some great music Gil Scott Heron - We Almost Lost Detroit - Arista