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Wasn't the white label a boot that some DJ's had? Mix everyone was chasing was on a double pack promo I thought and everything else was wrong mix or boot. The boot did sell for a lot of money I believe so maybe where the legendary white promo story came from. Where is Mr Salter when you need him, his memory is much better than mine. fk me a house theme and I am talking OVO, we need to stop it, its becoming second nature :-)) Related story was due to a chance conversation at a record fair an old mate Kerso, who you can see on card above, found about a stash of a few copies of the double pack in Musselburgh, 7 miles away from me and in my old town, in the TV shop as they guy dealt records on the side. We cleaned them out as they were impossible to get. Nostalgia, again/ I remember that card and know almost everyone on it, remember Robin going around with, so where is my signature, I sometimes wonder if maybe I just invent being there....

Vanessa, now Mrs Jackson, beside Pete, both giving lad in dark jacket who I do know but cannot remember, "the eye"!

Flip side was played covered as, I think, Gail Anderson back in 80's, on shelves but can't actually remember it at this moment!

When did they become mutually exclusive?

I did, twice, and still couldn't see it. No matter. Must be about perception. I assume that means sensible debate is no longer on menu! No matter.

And highlighting titles of some of these new discoveries that aren't good dance tubes might help in any admissions, or do you just mean all later than when you were around discoveries?

Really? Do you actually want to highlight where anyone said any of these things?

I thought you weren't teliing anyone what to, now you are "laying down new rules". Who are these we you talk about? How will you enforce them, statute, stiff upper lip and tell the scoundrels off for not following your etiquette. You do realise these "youngsters" you are arguing down are mostly at least late 40's. most, myself included, went to Wigan and many all nighters afterwards. Hardly young upstarts breaking "your" scene. Can I ask, do you go to allnighters currently?

Sorry Rod you have lost me. Which post did you remove? And if its something between Barry and me I suspect it's consenting banter. Might have been worth checking first, as I am trying my bestest not to get personal here. So if I failed it would be good to know where.

I am not assuming anything, stating facts. How can it be any other way, People grew up and out of it, nothing wrong with that, making excuses and reinventing history when hitting pension age is pretty sad thought.

Yes it is, you were into it or not, the rest was just convenient excuses.

And another post that just makes up their own point and wanders further into imagine what might have been said land. I love it. Right off to the wilds of Scotland with no phone, internet or work. I will return a changed man.

He was much more scary without the masks some mornings after Bradford Joan, trust me!

And just to be clear, I wasn't just talking about your post and records you highlighted (even though I did think some were pish, but that was your point I think), I thought that was interesting and would have been for an interesting debate, e.g. the Poppies being to white, what would have been played even 3 years later type of debate, but as usual we get onto some political manifesto from the keep it 74 brigade. So dont be taking the huff at me, its not aimed at you...

Well Barold, you don't normally back losers mate, but your good guydar has gone a bit awol on this! Your assumption because older lads are older they have been around for years is so wide of the mark, although I get why as this is your experience, most have been around for a couple of years then and a couple now, so its kinda hard not to get frustrated at being called on music! It was a well placed arrow mate, and its hit right centre on target. No mate, it was thought out and deliberate and its landed the scaly things I expected. I don't know why I care in my gracefully retired status, ironically makes me guilty of what I accuse others of. But its always nice to prove just how misguided some people are, their views" are based on what they have been told rather than experienced, and are frankly "a load of pish" and lets not forget, the majority faded away in the 80's because they weren't the right sort for then. It was all about quality, not quantity remember...... The chaff was shaken.

Yes a pish record is a pish record regardless of how many 16 year olds liked it for a couple of weeks when they went to allnighters for a couple of years in the 70's and trying constantly to take us back there for the same 2 year cycle, even though most of us weren't there in the first F***ing place. Yes take the remote control off them, and then painlessly put them to sleep. You did ask.

Mel from Stockport and/or a girl from WIgan whose name I have now forgotten , they use to be in same vicinity, as did Shiela from Lancaster, but think she was tall.

Barrold you know what its like, everyone says its worth something but trying to sell it is a different proposition. I would say £30 tops, although since you are a mate I could stretch to £40 and some tins for the foodbank. You know what they say about charity begins .... Yours faithfully, A Chancer esq!

I was going to say after the Yarmouth thread twice as much as yesterday. I hate whoever raised that thread, I still don't have one.....

Pleasing himself and if the crowd don't share his good taste, f*ck them, get a better gig next time. Or retiring, its the fashion.

I am pretty sure I have it on CD, the legality is a different question, I seem to remember it having a fairly home made looking cover, maybe wrong. I will try and dig it out tonight.

PPS and before I get the barrage of usual abuse, if you have to ask, forget it.

PS I did tell everyone on a number of occasions that it was Mr O'Hara that first had Deon Jackson, apologies on the back of a fiver for those thousands that didnt believe me. Although I did say it was from Ron Murphy direct, so at least Jim has told the whole truth and nothing but.....

Bollocks. Its this type of dogmatic static rule drivel that quite rightly turns this into a farce. Two records prove the above is someone who doesn't get all nighters. Mello Souls and CODS, records that thrived due to carvers done, I repeat, more people arguing for OVO don't get it than those who don't care! More gin doctor.

I think to be fair, you would have to raise Rob Marriot and Dean into Len's first list of Guy, Keb, Colin etc as they were playing, virtually, nothing but new stuff and were digging and uncovering (or should that be covering) stuff daily with a fervour like Indiana Jones on his first episode, often from the states but also often closer to home, collectors with masses (Jim Wensorias treasure trove, matched only by the one eyed staffie called Little John Silver guarding them) and places like Black Grape, all now being of more interest as the taste for different things of differing styles grew like Topsy. No stone was left unturned. And noone should underestimate these guys visceral scheduling of new stuff, almost coercing the punters, as if waterboarded, into listening and confessing their sins for not having believed in the first instance. Whilst I was miles behind Gaz, Dave, Tony S and Ady, and many more, I think we would all come under more the collectors banner and were digging through the plethora of boxes weekly and people like Dave M's long held collection, it cannot be underestimated how rich that time was for getting records instantly at nighters. I regularly bought between 10 and 20 at Stafford, mostly recommended by Dave M or Ady, and averaging between £10 and £20, stretching to £30 twice in my whole pre 1990 record buying career. So in some ways, whilst the internet makes it easier now, there were advantages to then too. Recommendations were generally found pretty quickly. And of course the tape swappers circuit. It was as fertile and up for being ravaged as Katy Price ever was. Dave M's and Gaz Kellet's first tapes were legendary for the quality, mostly available and cheap, although many are now 3 or 4 figure. Ady H and I worked our way through them like a crocodile in a kids tea party. The irony of then was guys like that were so willing to share knowledge, as were the top boys, that I actually think it hindered their djing career, as everyman and their dog who heard the tape were chasing their sounds. I think two main people you can't forget for that time behind the scenes was Gilly, whose tapes were also legendary but much of it was (and is) unobtainable and as the man had almost perfect taste, this made his discoveries and recommendations perfect for the top DJ's. And Pete Lawson, I would go as far as to say he was our John Anderson. He probably didn't turn up the true rarities which were being snapped up by Andersons regular visitors Dobson, Whitmore etc who were still sneaking into Kings Lynn, in the back roads with big empty boxes to be filled. But he vociferously dug and searched and basically harangued people into believing in records, his CIA like methods of making you take records and playing them as he insisted as a condition of selling certain things were legendary, and not always, but mostly spot on in taste. I think he was actually one of the most important people, among many others, who drove us on, his life was searching for that sound. Like a missionary on a mission. As they say, often nothing truer than words spoke in jest. Anyway, I teary eyed digress. The radio room, one of the many highlights of a weekend of a lifetime, the whole crowd in there, Colin getting reported for swearing too much, which meant we both went on next time and said as many swear words as we knew, and I think he might have got banned for that. Sabotaging mike for Brian Rae who like the true professional he was didn't miss a beat and carried on, whilst swearing at us off air, he knew the rules and how to play them. Tying up Sean Gibbons nephew who was on afterwards, or some distant relation, when Sean nipped out for a few minutes so he couldn't start his set. Maddest of times, best of times, but it didn't stop us being serious about the music which seems to be almost a crime nowadays, with the soul snob and it must be rare insult thrown by the hard of thinking on a daily basis. And it’s a bit of a cliché, but like most cliches it is so because its true, characters then were 10 a penny, in between buying and talking about records during the night, which wasn't a thought crime then, the odd dance, the odd nonsense verbal, I used to sit back and watch and think this is the life, surrounded by nutters, who get it! Not many do currently, I am sorry to say. But, those days are past now, and in the past, they must remain! Its different now, you can't rise again, can you………. Nostalgia, not so bad, in small doses.