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I went straight to the shelves for the Becket section thinking I must ahve it, bast**d, 12" only, and LP so if someone wants the much more desirable 12" get in touch........ What about all these British demos from these days then of totally obscure tracks, Leon Bryant etc etc, they must be worth 100's, I.m rich at last.....

Mine was labels right way round, sold it about 20 years ago to very little interest!

And there was me wondering why you wanted a washed up, drunk, grumpy miserable, hopefully finished, footie manager

There is a King/Polydor disco mix LP that includes Cody Black Slowly Molding as well as some great stompers on it. Problem is it's all 1 minute clips and I think they were called segued rather than mixed. I assume for Blues parties deep in the heart of Harlem back in the day. Probably for another thread but would love to know how many such LP's came out and their history. Back to La La land, apologies about small outbreak of seriousness.

You will now see you obviously need some lessons to get you up to speed on modern day gibberish speak, you are obviously out of practice in your translation, I can suggest a lot of candidates not too far away to help you back to fluency.......

Neither would anyone that has a clue about British films, so you are safe on that one.

It was the headline article in that nights One Show, given the title of thread I assumed we would just discuss the show on a nightly basis. You can't imagine my dissapointment when I found I was the Only One,

Didn't quite crash it, drove straight over, after Mr Kerr said drive straight over roundabout meaning driveround what looked like a flat mini roundabout going to Neil and Tina's. Unfortunately it wasn't a flat roundabout and ripped half the underside of the hired car off. It didn't ruin, or remotely impact on my memory of what was a fantastic night and one of those that made me realise guys like Knuckles, although very few could live up to him, we're just my modern soul Dj.s of that time. Not long after I seen him do a full six hour set at MOS and my conversion was complete. A real game changer. Who ever thought Frankie Knuckles and Bradford would be one of the most important combinations in my life Proper soul man and someone who thought his house was just a continuation of the path Marvin Gaye had been on. And he was right Legend and in Tears he was involved in one if the greatest soul records of all time. And stayed a lovely modest man it appears. RIP

Yes those dead days of the 80's/90's, cant believe you thought there was a Northern scene in that time. You must be be bonkers.

So a nurse who has wiped our arses for 40 years with little thanks, pittance of a pay, and groaning from grumpy customers for 39.5 years of that I bet. That must be worth at least 10 pages. No?

And someone willing to put their money where their mouth is. I suspect the majority are like me, lots of mouth, little money and no appetite to risk whatever little money they have. Anway, that JR Bailey LP...............................

I love the fact that everyone watched it waiting to pounce, after the first 30 seconds I went I into my record and listened to some music. Forgot it happened by JR Baileys second note.

Ah Mr Dixon. You seemed to miss my question on FB? I assume you have now read Mr Byrnes clarification on which Elaine was on telly and might want to correct your statement.

If thats true then the promoters of these venues should be reported. Sure Ady would at least like details. Tats one thing but this is just outrageous in a publicly licenced event.

And I remember the days when just for a change you could play Tag Tag at an allnighter rather than the other side, days gone by. One 45 I really miss!

Okay ticket for sale, its an eticket on PDF so I can email it to you, it was £27, including a ridiculous £7 of booking charges so nearest offer in next couple of hours gets it. PM me with an email as I sometimes cannot answer PMs from work. Having seen him in October if you like like music this is your man, awesome is just one of the words.

I assume the plain pink one is only worth £350 now, I could probably do one at a 75% discount of that.......

Hi Rob, some interesting insights. And good call on Walter Gibbons and Hip Hop for where lots began, if Dave was going to look down that route, probably worth starting with DJ Kool Herc for the hip hop stuff don't you think? There is a good book that used to be cheap in FOPP shops, can't remember title that has some good chapters on that stuff,. I have it at home if noone remembers. Another great book that I would recommend for this, depending on how deep you go, is Tim Lawrence - Love Saves The Day, and introduces Dave Mancuso to the mix, pun intended, which I think is an essential part of the story. He has quite an interesting web site here https://www.timlawrence.info/articles/ that is worth perusing the articles and the archives. And DJ history has some interesting material, although I feel you have to wade through a lot of "less" interesting stuff on here. https://www.djhistory.com/interviews These guys have a couple of books out, that may be mildly interesting for this. I am interested Rob in what you mean when you list Moulton as a failure? I assume from the Morales comment you mean his influence where people just tinker round the edges in todays market that seems to be swamped with pointless re-edits, Dimitri being a good example, and I sort of agree, but I think Moulton on his day was the master of audio recreation, and I suppose that then leads into what are these for, For me, not an expert in this by any means there are three main points to a remix/reedit. (a) Dance Floor, what some people see as repetitive breaks etc are sometimes for me, sometimes being key word, masterful moves to make the thing a dancefloor killer, and in many ways I include the equally loved/hated dub side that was often put on other side of 80's 12". I think this really hits home if you go beyond the disco/soul stuff into house, and in many ways a remix provides that missing touch. Off course sometimes its just another dose of shoe wax on an already steaming turd! This was Gibbons original forte I would say, as well as Mancuso originally according to Lawrence. Any number of Salsoul direct or just influenced 12"s would work here. Try First Choice Let No Man Put Asunder. And for the Dub side, the West End 12" records, say Raw Silk Di it To The Music that Ian Clarke interestingly used to champion, are good examples (b) Audio enhancement, adding strings and things as the trendy reviewer would say, stretching three minutes of shallow fun into 10 minutes of hard core aural pleasure. I would say this Moulton's forte, and yes sometimes it turns out to be a disappointing case of erectile dysfunction, 10 minutes of floppy wavy strings. But when its good, its orgasmic. Again often works on a dancefloor with the correct sort of system, but unlike lots of first examples, equally effective on a set of good headphones, dancing butt naked around the record room. © Creating a new output completely, comparatively rare in my experience, and a more recent phenonomen I would suggest. Primary example of this is Lee McDonald - I'll Do Anything Yann Kesz Remix, which I suspect will have traditionalists jumping behind the couch reaching for their gimp mask to protect their ears, but would have me swaying side to side on a dance floor if I heard it out. In many ways, the history of the current disco scene that is thriving in London, Europe and the States is the history of above, but I suspect many have come back from House scene rather than the soul scene, or just been into new soul music since late 70's early 80's. Its been interesting seeing some disco dj's, the current definition rather than the insult used on Northern scene, playing rare 7"s among their reedits and 12"'s with no bias. Kenny Dope being introduced to this I believe by the infamous Keb Darge, and creating KD records that has a brilliant remix of the Family of Eve that would/should go down a storm at any Northern-Modern night/ The issue is like most scenes its the more poppy side, like DJ Dimitri, that gets the praise, where guys like Bahar Sadar, who I only heard of for the first time last year creates a quiet storm playing what would have been called Northern Soul in 1981-84!

I would have thought closer to home our own Dave Lee/Joey Negro and Ewan/Al Kent who are probably kings of the disco reedit in UK if that's what you are after. Sure Ian will know both and think Ewan is on here, if not can drop Ewan a note on FBI. Not sure of the objective though as what makes it good is surely subjective and will differ depending on individuals taste? An example is the Bettye Swannin When The Game, I think the 10 minute remix has made it a whole new record, and enough to make me sell the 7", but I suspect majority on here would disagree.

And from the same LP, with the vastly underrated, in the soul world at least, John Legend, who seems not to appeal to some but I love his voice, especially live and on this they just blend brilliantly. I love it keeps a semi classic arrangement but with a contemporary feel too, just magic. James Poyser and Questlove at their best. If only they did more, or did I already say that!

Right you lazy buggers, no-one added this. Quite sublime, and probably in at least one of my all time favourite charts. With the amazing Anthony Hamilton on subtle accompaniment and produced by James Poyser, who has produced some great soul in this century, although better being known as one of the forces behind the giants of Hip Hop, The Roots. I always had high hopes for more stuff from this sort of team but alas no Lay Down, let it wash over you, and salute the masters at work

I would say most of that was being played by guys like Adam/Robin S (the DJ not the singer) and especially the generation after them, it was all modern, by definition and by era, the fact it was easily accessible, 10p for demos on UK copies in local shops, or 50p for the 12" or LP's made it even more appealing. I bought it without question. And I would say it was disco growing up, rather than post disco. By the late 80's, when I was spending more time than was healthy at pure Northern events, and it was becoming much more segregated musically , there was the usual lot of band leaders playing modern versions of this stuff and slowly moving into House, the so called soulfull end, Robin S, Barry May, Pete Shirley, Gary Welsh, Fish etc etc merging the Northern Modern world with New Black music world, and we soon followed when the segregation got too much, and the quality at all nighters got worse, not least with the introduction of the John Wayne fan club with percussion supplied by Banner. And it moved on faster when Southport started, which actually along with places like Parker's and London burgeoning scene changed the face of the Modern direction for me, and more so a couple of Southports later as softish house (it didn’t seem that then) was produced (to much booing and throwing of beer mats at the 3 or 4 of us dancing, despite what the revisionists say). And it then changed for ever. So I think its easy to ignore people who just stuck with new music, call it what you will, at times it was tiny, I was an irregular visitor during 80's in all honesty being an allnighter man,but popped my head in on lots of occasions, so the above is my view with huge gaps that would/could be filled and corrected by some on here. I believe there is a cracking book that just needs finished by someone who was there from the start, all through the journey and still is there. In my opinion it will be the second biggest crime of the century if that story isn't told. And as for my first experience, 1980 Wigan Casino, when it was just Northern, and it started me buying new music from then on, and I still do, fairly frequently, but not often enough, and its definitely not Northern now. And its not DJ Genesis.

So you don't like modern then?

How Do You Mend Broken Heart, inspired by a broken heart from a fiesty Scottish woman allegedly, conceived by 3 honky** hippies from a British backwater, and unbelievably based on that one of the finest soul songs ever was birthed, and just waiting on the growing maturity of Al Green to make it one of the most heartbreaking performances. Ever. A beauty that will not fade over time, an everlastin love. Maybe even perfection. He can be a bit showy live, having seen him a couple of times, but I think that’s been his trademark since the 70's, spends ages giving roses out to the Ladies, which I suspect 20 years ago paid benefits, other than the odd hot water down the back incident, but overall live his a million times stronger than on record, a whole different experience. Real soul. And for the masses, a few cheap Northern singles by a him worth seeking. And more importantly he is still doing it now, one of the best soul albums of this century, with Lay It Down being 1% short of perfect, with a modern day Al Green helping out, proving that although not very often, timeless soul music is still being produced. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lay-It-Down-Al-Green/dp/B0016A2FFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394029531&sr=8-1&keywords=al+green+lay+it+down ** Okay over dramatising slightly, I know they can write a song but I just cannot believe they produced something so beautiful.

I think he is already made a comment, and I would say that the seller is as honest as the day as long. Maybe a PM to the seller rather then this drama queen approach might have been better.