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Did he not have something out on that label as well, sure have read about that somewhere. Cheers Jock

Thats so funny Gareth as that is exactly the same as me, particularly the UK thing, I probably went to all from mid 80's to early 90's and only have 2 (again coincidentally same 2 as you). Oh for less immaturity and more foresight One of the early years we left (including Mr Smith I am sure) ours in the Cloakroom rather than carry them, Ozzy was trying to swap them for drinks or coats!! Carla Thomas wins it for me, probably played it in every set I had after getting it (too many according to some!!).Still love it. Cheers Jock

Cheers Sean, I have about 4 of their albums but obviously not that one! Jock

Is that a clue for the single tonight since Ace have Millie J!! Great track from a good album from a horribly underrated singer. What album, if any, is the High Energy track on? Just checked their albums and dont have it. Cheers Jock

Trikont seems to be a German re-issue label, always do great notes in German and English. Okay couldn't sleep so had a look along the shelves, not in order at moment so just grabbed a handful, all highly recommended. On Kent Our Turn To Cry and Sanctified Soul - Atlantic Ballads, not always your shouting deep soul, bit more big city style as you would expect but just great, 2 of my favourite cd's with Herman Hitson and James Carr being stand out tracks and amazingly a superb Isley Bros Track called The Last Girl, brilliant (anyone seen this on 45?) Good Guys Don't Always Win - Deep Soul from Hotlanta, Sam Dees, Rozetta Johnson, and Bill Brandon unissued, not all deep as in slow but deep as in just amazing vocals. Bill Haneys Atlanta Soul Brotherhood - Southern Soul magic, in all honesty a while since I listened to this so cant tip individuals but its in my pile for essential listening!! When A Man Cries - Wand/Dynamo/Scepter /Musicor - brilliant cd. Masqueraders, Marvin Preyer, Katie Love and Tommy Hunt showing just what a great singer he was before his UK stuff was dreamed off. Cant remember one bad track, in fact cant remember one track that wasn't at least great!! And The James Carr and Jimmy Lewis 2 cd's each, not all deep obviously but some ballads that rip your corneas out. Amazing stuff on these cd's. On Hi - Forgive This Foolish Man. Otis Clay Phillip Mitchell Willie Clayton all being essential tracks, another CD with no real bad tracks (and that includes the Johnny Cash track, much to my disbelief!!). On Grapevine - Troubled Waters - Sam Dees (again) McKinley Mitchell, Dorothy Moore, Tommy Tate - you get the picture, just buy!! On Goldmine Deepest Soul Volume 1 & 2 - more traditional deep screamers here, some very rare I believe and probably some of the rawest tracks, but again if you want to go all the way into deepsville these are essential! Finally on Trikont, Cheating Soul - similar to what you have, Southern Soul, Ann Sexton, Bobby Bland, Sandra Phillips, some more obvious tracks but a great selection of music and as always with Trikont great bi-lingual notes. Black and Proud vol 1 and 2 - not deep but socially conscious songs which I personally think in the soul world deserve the title deep soul, real mixture of Syl Johnson, Gil Scott-Heron Staple Singers, Last Poets, Sam Dees (again) George Soule (blue eyed deep soul!!). Probably recommend you try before you buy on these as a bit left field at times, but I think fantastic examples of the evolution of soul music and American culture in 70's. Anyone hope there is something in there for you! Cheers Jock

You really cant beat the Kent cd's, the Wand one, the Hotlanta ones, will dig some out tomorrow and list if you have them and yes the cd's are worth it as there a fair few extra tracks. Also the old Charly albums from ?? with unissued Bill Brandon stuff, think there were 5 albums every one essential, I only have 3 I think. Have these ever been reissued on CD? Some great early Goldmine ones, Deep Soul Inferno, but quite crap sound if I remember rightly. WIll look in boxes. Re the one above is that on the Trikont label? I found 3 or 4 on that label in Germany, think they have their own website (trikont.de??) Again will dig them out and post tomorrow, they are not strictly deep, more political songs but really soulful stuff on them. Cmon Ady C/Tony R, appreciate they probably dont sell lots but some more deep cd's would go down a treat!! Cheers Jock

Great LP's gave them away as pressie to somebody a bit down and never thought I would get them back and hey presto found them in a dodgy rock shop in Aberdeen, If you cant find them will put up Tracklists tomorrow, include Major Lance Dark and Lonely, Sam Dees SMH, Roshell Anderson etc etc.

And after hearing it from Mr Chalk, I liked it so much I rushed out and bought it, not something I do very often now. And listen to the other side for a great underplayed (neverplayed??) oldie that someone like Mr Freeman should latch on to! Cheers Jock

Okay I stand suitably chastised for ram-raiding someone elses thread, thought people would be used to my commando type raids to have a soul based moan (tongue in cheek but with a semi serious point I like to think) and then disappear coz I can never find the thread again. As said trying to be semi funny, (and failing obviously) whilst trying to re-introduce a little of the soul police ethos back as I think they(we) are being very unfairly maligned in recent times. Semi serious point I was trying to make, was if Amy Winehouse was black do you think she would have had so much publicity? I don't. And in answer to your question Jo, where does Joss Stone stand, well in my opinion she does have a pretty soulful voice but in reality has more in common with Mike Yarwood than Aretha Franklin, and again her background was as much a reason for her success as her voice. I don't think AW does have a particularly soulful voice but would be I think a pretty top notch jazz singer given better material. And re your comments about instruments etc Jo, would that not make the Commitments the greatest soul group of the last few decades???? I don't think it's the colour of their skin that dictates whether they are soulful, it's the quality of their vocals within a well established genre. Apologies if I keep banging on about this but I think its quite an important point we keep missing on here. Anyway as penance for the ram-raiding I will review the William Bell/Jesse James cd's tonight when I get home. Cheers Jock

William Bell and Jesse James have just released 2 cd's, they aren't brilliant by any means, but a million times better than Amy Whinealot, am I being pedantic when I say it would be nice to debate such soul cd's rather than the latest press hype on SOUL Source??? Grumbling back to my gin and armchair, muttering the worlds gone barmy!! Moaning Jock PS I do agree she is/was a looker if that gets me out of jail even a little bit.

Well I played (on more than one occassion) at Allanton Johnny Burton Slave Girl and Maurice Long _ I Dont Love You Any More (must be the slowest), not sure people would call them Northern mind. Was always fond of throwing one or two slow in the middle rather than at end, normally got at least one person dancing (although the bribes were a bit expensive!!) On reading this thread I think I have played about 60% of them out at some point at Allanton, maybe I did play too many slow things after all!! Jock

So basically you bought a record that didnt sound good until you revised it!! Why dont you but a program where you can then record it onto cd and change vocals add a few strings etc then recut it back onto Vinyl, perfect solution. In case my intended humour doesnt come through on this and you cant guess the answer is no in my book, just buy records you think are perfect!! Jock

Brian Rae, Gilly, Mr & Mrs Rushbrooke, Blondie I think, to name a few, always knew you kept some dodgy company back in the day Mr Thorley Great picture.. When unpacking my boxes I found some great Allanton and earlier pics, just need to work out how to work the scanner now!! Jock

So you are buying records just to DJ, but you are going to sell them coz you aint getting any spots..... the first part of the sentence might tell you why!! You would probably be easier just buying an Abba collection, you would get to dj weekly then at weddings etc . I sold about 0.01% of my collection about 10 years ago due to my disillusionment with the scene, they were by far the rarest bits and could probably have bought myself a new house with todays values of them, however although still have most of collection find myself regretting the sales almost as much as enjoying what I have kept. So no wont sell anymore unless as people say severe financial difficulties then it is a bit of a no brainer. However I never bought just to DJ etc or for value, bought because I love the sound coming out of them, and still do although rarely vinyl these days, therefore the thought of selling something I love seems more than a little bizarre!! Yours reflectively Jock

This is probably off topic for this but a couple of similar posts to what I have higlighted above have been posted lately and I think it is this that are completely missing the point. Assuming we are talking about soul music generally and not Northern then I think the above statement is just wrong, yes taking the literal meaning of the word Soul you could be correct but that is not what we are discussing generally when talking about Soul Music, and I think statements like above are complete disregarding the history of soul. I just dont think it can be disputed that It was produced as an evolution of Black American culture (over a number of decades possibly) and was probably at its greatest and peaked, late 60's to mid 70's as a result of the social and enviromental conditions that Black Americans had suffered and the changing social times of that era.To deny this is in my opinion rewriting history and forgetting what is "proper soul" is in my opinion disregarding this amazing cultural movement. Apologies if off topic and a bit of a rant about what is probably meant as a light remark but I do think it is an important point, and said above this is not about Northern and the many genres that fit under this wonderful broad church (to quote someone else from recently). Cheers Jock

Where did you get this from. I would be very surprised this isnt yet another celebrity urban myth, Tony/Ady can you confirm or deny since you were obviously in the gang!! I seem to remember Pete Lawson writing him a letter about NS and getting a great response along the lines of he was never really into the Northern Scene but did like some of the music and then naming some great songs he liked, including Clydie King MLGD, which at time I was surprised him knowing but given Tony/Adys guest spots makes a bit of sense. I had pretty much given up on non soul music by the time they came along but did like the Jam and they were the last non soul act I seen live (I think) and was blown away by their energy. Subsequent Weller I think is okay but sometimes think he tries to hard to be soulful (not just vocally) which probably limits him as he is a great songwriter (in my limited knowledge of that field should add!!). Cheers Jock

Persil tickets, remember them, I had all my family people at work everywhere collecting the vouchers, to get I think half price train!! Sometimes nostalgia drives me mad but other times, like that memory, it gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling. Mostly trains for us, unless lucky to get bus organised. couple of hours getting there, but about 2 days getting back, Sure we returned to Scotland via Blackburn one day!! Jock

One of the many early tape swoppers tunes from early 80's, I think Tommo from Leicesters legendary first tape for me, was kind of thing you would probably hear at soul night round Preston way but not much else, agree Pete its a great record, and, I assume, still relatively cheap? Cheers Jock

And I think I remember the article in Echoes that burst that story, however forget the journalists name, obviously one of those fly by night here for a day soul fans

Was going to say exactly that, with a slow version of Can You Qualify on other side, use to have YCFI it covered up many years ago, shame everyone with any knowledge knew it!! Sure there are others on here but can only think of Casanova 2 at moment, cmon people jog my memory. Cheers Jock PS How much does Sisters 3 go for now, one of the ones I think I let go (for less than a tenner I bet) has nostalgia value so woudnt mind it back for a fiver more PS Forgot to say Claude Baby Huey, absolutely great record, assume this just gathers dust on aspiring dj's shelves

Oops should read the thread. Re the Kim Weston, yes she had Kim Kim Kim on Volt or subsidary, great LP with a killer version of When Something Is Wrong With My Baby, a record I listed in a top 5 for a certain ex NME/Echoes journalist who I knew would never make it very far in the media Cheers Jock

He did get one released on Volt did he not?

Hi Baz hope you are well, nice tips on here lately, One tip re Coral is don't buy the other track by whoever did Where Does That Leave Me, covered as Romance Watson (who was it really again, I have gone senile!) as its crap rock and roll! Cheers Jock

Not ignoring this, like most days these days so busy just pop my head in for a nose and every so often put my Victor Meldrew hat on to have a moan, I will post something positive soon honest!! SInce you so eloquently, as always, chastised me for being a grumpy old man thought I should at least answer. I do think she asked the question here, although agree second hand, and I stick by my original feeling that given benefit of doubt it was maybe just an an insensitively worded question (albeit from someone else originally), however on other side I still think it could be seen as offensive and for largely the reason you state above Winnie, re the AL Jolson thinking, the minstrel shows in early America are generally now percieved as offensive and one of the many moral crimes we (as a race rather than personally) have commited against people of colour over the years . I dont think the question remotely hints at being influenced by other cultures or adopting them because of where you live, which is prevalent in todays society. I just think its the daft sort of thinking that we as a society should be beyond, but we clearly are not. The far more fascinating question started by Mikey and carried on by Billy Freemantle re the connection with Northern Soul and tough working class Northern laddies (admittedly not as relevant to today as 20 years ago) I think is a question worth debating, not sure there is an answer but as a sociological study I think there is some real interesting bits in there. Its something I have long threatened to try and write about (largely failing because I cant put any lucid theory together!). I however think the original question was a million miles away from this. Apologies if on a rant but thought I should for once explain reason behind my miserable outbursts!! I think I need to go back to trying to banter with Soul Sources very own chuckle brothers (Dan and Stuart), or maybe not as that got me into trouble last time. Cheers Jock

WTF I think its an incredibly stupid question, bordering on insulting. I really don't believe you seen fit to ask this, why the f**k would you pretend to be another colour. Glad to see the race relations education programme has worked in our wonderful country. Jock