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I'm after the Delta number on this Mutt & Jeff 45 ... I'd like to confirm the release date Thanks Andy
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Stan Vincent actually wrote Think Smart by the Fiestas (Old Town) but put the credit in his wife’s name .... George Kerr did the same thing on Edwin Starr’s .. I Have Faith In You Andy
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Articles: Motown 45 Numbering - Ain't That The Truth!
Andy Rix replied to Andy Rix's topic in Front Page News & Articles
We did this article 27 years ago ... where has that time gone ! Andy -
An article Steve Armitage, and I, wrote in 1993 ... explaining the number system Ain't That The Truth! The Motown DM Master System By Steve Armitage & Andy Rix Acknowledgements To Ron Murphy (Detroit) Have you ever wondered what the letters and figures on your Motown 45's stand for? Obviously there is the issue number (e.g. Motown 1056), but there are also other numbers, different on every side of every record. Examples might look like this:- DM 003222 / DM-V 038221 / DM-J 084103 DM-WLB 098112 / DM-BLL 134324 Gradually, by late 1965 the DM is dropped, leaving the number/letter sequence like this:- HLI 192313 If by now you're wondering "why do I care?" - Then as an avid collector, you might be interested in exactly how much music remains to be unearthed from the Motown vaults. You will be staggered! D.M. stands for Duplicate Master. As tracks were mixed down from original session tapes (not part of the D.M. series) and saved for issue (or rejection) Motown needed a method of filing and retrieving it's mixed tapes. During 1962 a series of letters were also added to the D.M. system. As listed in issue 7, these letters relate to the producer of the tracks in question. Later on further letters were added to the master number and these relate to the control room engineer who worked on the mixing session and the mixer (often the producer). In some instances the same letter is repeated within the master number and this indicates that the same person was responsible for more than one of these functions. Let us take some examples of this:- DM WLL-115307: The Temptations - "It's Growing" This track was produced by Smokey Robinson, which is represented by the letter "W", and was engineered and mixed by L. T. Horn, whose code was represented by the letter "L". It is to be found on Duplicate Master tape 115. The tape is on 10 1/2 inch reel which contains some 3600 feet of 1/2 inch tape. Recorded at 7 1/2 inches per second, it will hold up to 95 minutes of music. There are three tracks on the tape (known as 3-track multitrack tape). Let us assume that between 20 and 30 songs of 2 to 3 minutes (Motown rarely used longer!) can be recorded per track. Simply each D.M. tape will contain some 60-90 tracks. The song "It's Growing" by The Temptations is to be found as follows:- TAPE 115 TRACK 3 SONG 07 (On The Track) Another example that illustrates where a different mixer and studio engineer were used is:- WIL-179312: Marvin Gaye - "One More Heartache" Again produced by Smokey Robinson and mixed by the same person who was responsible for the mixing of "It's Growing" by The Temptations (L. T. Horn), this track was however engineered by a different person, who is represented by the letter "I". It is interesting to note however that whilst Motown continued using this type of prefix through until the early Seventies, the codes were used for different producers during different periods of time. Examples of this can be traced to recordings using the letter "V" as the producer prefix. This letter represents the studio work of Brian Holland on recordings that were made up to 1968, whilst this same letter was also used for the studio work by Mike Valvano in the 1970's. Now comes the fun. By the middle of 1966 some 214 of these Duplicate Master tapes had been registered. 214 multiplied by an average of a conservative 60 songs equals a staggering 12840 songs! Motown issued around 1200 separate tracks in the same period. So now we might have a 10-1 ratio of tracks 'In The Can'. Obviously this figure includes several mixes of each song, but our guess is that at least two titles are in the vault for each one known on disc. This is born out by the fact that the Jobete catalogue has a ratio of 70% of unissued titles. At some point during 1966 Motown changed its recording procedures with the introduction of 1 /4" twin channel (left and right) tapes for mixing sessions, following the demise of 3-track multitrack use. These recorded at 15" per second and held between 10 and 14 songs, dependent on length of the recordings. This series of duplicate masters began with D.M. 215 and was continued through until 1973, following Motown's re-location on the West Coast, with D.M. 1019 being the final tape registered - a total of 804 different tape reels. An example from this series is:- H-XK-V-240M05: The Supremes - "You Keep Me Hangin' On". This is to be found on duplicate master 240. It was mixed in mono (represented by the letter "M") and is the fifth track on this tape (05). The track was produced by Brian Holland & Lamont Dozier (H). Another example is:- F-I-I-505S02: Tammi Terrell - "Just Too Much To Hope For". This track was mixed from the original session tape onto Duplicate Master 505, and was mixed in stereo, which is represented by the letter "S'', and this is the second track on this tape (02). It was produced by Harvey Fuqua (F). Towards the end of this series it had become commonplace for promotional singles white label releases to feature the same song on both sides with the mono version on one side and the stereo version on the other. In some tracks cases consecutive were used as illustrated in the following example:- M9-Ll-Ll-1013S02: David Ruffin - "Blood Donor's Needed" (Used on promotional copies of Motown 1223-A) M9-Ll-Ll-1013M03: David Ruffin - "Blood Donor's Needed" (Used on the commercial release of Motown 1223-A) There are a number of recordings that list a master number that includes the letter "S" for stereo, whilst they are in fact in mono. It should be noted that while these recordings were cut in mono the representation within the master number refers to the recording on the tape, and not the final cut, i.e. stereo mix/cut in mono. Many of Motown's 1960's Detroit music producers are alive and well and living in America in 1993. Good health, and thanks guys!!!!
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Book - I Searched For Soul and Found The Stars - Gilly
Andy Rix commented on Gilly's article in News Archives
Just listened Gilly ... pure class .. thank you for sharing your sounds Andy -
Book - I Searched For Soul and Found The Stars - Gilly
Andy Rix commented on Gilly's article in News Archives
Thank you That will make a cloudy day fill with sunshine Andy -
Book - I Searched For Soul and Found The Stars - Gilly
Andy Rix commented on Gilly's article in News Archives
Do you have a link to Mixcloud for this ? Andy -
And worth noting that the version that appeared on the Kent CD 'Mainstream Modern Soul 1969-1976' is a different vocal take. There is also another 'unreleased' version with a very different lead vocal and far less backing vocal ... completely missing from the intro .. no idea where I got that from ! Andy
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Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
An article Steve Armitage, and I, wrote in 1993 ... explaining the number system might be of interest Andy -
Is there any video footage of that ? Andy
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Zanetti ... thank you for doing this every week... it is appreciated Andy
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Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
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Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
And a few more examples of the different DM mixes .. I’ve listened to them but really cannot hear any significant difference .. apart from the Miracles ! Andy -
Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
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Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
Indeed Chalky ... as you will know letters of the alphabet were assigned to people at Motown ... I recall a full list was published on the Detroit Soul Forum a few years ago ...Robb K will remember better than I V is Brian Holland L is Lawrence Horn .... I note the comment from The Yank in a previous thread So the three alphabet letters ... without properly reminding myself .. signal producer, arranger and the guy who did the mix the numbers that follow identify which master tape it’s on ... every mix has its own unique number if you look at the current John Manship auction of the 4Tops.. Ask The Lonely ... the DM number is different to the 45 version released on 5 Jan 65 .. the acetate he has is dated 13 Feb 65 and a different DM number so a different mix ... the logs have at least 12 different mixes of this song and each will have a unique DM number ... from those I’ve heard I can’t actually tell the difference... but the tweaks are subtle, a bit more echo, strings a bit more prominent ... the cymbal sounds louder ... to us mortals with defective hearing it is a mystery ! Chalky we both need our eyes testing as well ... I posted the demo of the 2.46 version .... 2.44 will follow Andy -
Alternate 45 cut Isley Bros This old Heart of mine ?
Andy Rix replied to Soulboyrecords's topic in Look At Your Box
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A Cellarful Of Motown Volume 5 - CD set Out Now
Andy Rix commented on Mike's article in News Archives
Totally appreciate you are only trying to add info .. I wonder why that guy would make such a claim I passed potential contact details for Bobby Wilburn in to Sean H Andy -
A Cellarful Of Motown Volume 5 - CD set Out Now
Andy Rix commented on Mike's article in News Archives
Marc Gordon died in 2010 Andy -
A Cellarful Of Motown Volume 5 - CD set Out Now
Andy Rix commented on Mike's article in News Archives
No Motown recording of Sleepless Nights has been located ... I got somebody to look into it but nothing was found andy -
A Cellarful Of Motown Volume 5 - CD set Out Now
Andy Rix commented on Mike's article in News Archives
... and we know from previous chats ... Robb K has elaborted often .. that if the stuff recorded in the embryonic LA set up weren't of interest in Detroit they could shop the tracks to other record labels Andy -
A Cellarful Of Motown Volume 5 - CD set Out Now
Andy Rix commented on Mike's article in News Archives
The tape was in the Motown Vaults and logged as Frank Wilson ... to my ears it is exactly the same as the Tollie 45 Andy -
Sad news indeed ... a legend and a truly great bloke wrapped up nicely together R.I.P Andy
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Has Coronavirus sounded the death bells for NS live scen
Andy Rix replied to Hooker1951's topic in All About the SOUL
At least it was next door to an Insurance Broker ! A -
Has Coronavirus sounded the death bells for NS live scen
Andy Rix replied to Hooker1951's topic in All About the SOUL
What do you mean ? .... are you saying that the Stafford .. 'Top Of The World ... niters were the starting point for where we are now ?... in light of previous comments made I'm somewhat confused Andy