Andy Rix

Found a couple more Andy

And a few more examples of the different DM mixes .. I’ve listened to them but really cannot hear any significant difference .. apart from the Miracles ! Andy

Here it is Andy

Indeed Chalky ... as you will know letters of the alphabet were assigned to people at Motown ... I recall a full list was published on the Detroit Soul Forum a few years ago ...Robb K will remember better than I V is Brian Holland L is Lawrence Horn .... I note the comment from The Yank in a previous thread So the three alphabet letters ... without properly reminding myself .. signal producer, arranger and the guy who did the mix the numbers that follow identify which master tape it’s on ... every mix has its own unique number if you look at the current John Manship auction of the 4Tops.. Ask The Lonely ... the DM number is different to the 45 version released on 5 Jan 65 .. the acetate he has is dated 13 Feb 65 and a different DM number so a different mix ... the logs have at least 12 different mixes of this song and each will have a unique DM number ... from those I’ve heard I can’t actually tell the difference... but the tweaks are subtle, a bit more echo, strings a bit more prominent ... the cymbal sounds louder ... to us mortals with defective hearing it is a mystery ! Chalky we both need our eyes testing as well ... I posted the demo of the 2.46 version .... 2.44 will follow Andy

2.46 version .. different DM number Andy

Totally appreciate you are only trying to add info .. I wonder why that guy would make such a claim I passed potential contact details for Bobby Wilburn in to Sean H Andy

Marc Gordon died in 2010 Andy

No Motown recording of Sleepless Nights has been located ... I got somebody to look into it but nothing was found andy

... and we know from previous chats ... Robb K has elaborted often .. that if the stuff recorded in the embryonic LA set up weren't of interest in Detroit they could shop the tracks to other record labels Andy

The tape was in the Motown Vaults and logged as Frank Wilson ... to my ears it is exactly the same as the Tollie 45 Andy

Sad news indeed ... a legend and a truly great bloke wrapped up nicely together R.I.P Andy

At least it was next door to an Insurance Broker ! A

What do you mean ? .... are you saying that the Stafford .. 'Top Of The World ... niters were the starting point for where we are now ?... in light of previous comments made I'm somewhat confused Andy

A few observations … Estelle Bennett was married to Joe Dong .. the Ronettes road manager She was the sister-in-law of Teddy Vann’s wife Wanling I spoke to Teddy a few times in the late 90s and specifically asked him about the identity of Frankie & The Classicals .. he remembered her, and them, but couldn’t recall her full name .. he said they were just a local group that he knew The only other female vocalist I can think of with a similar vocal style is Linda Tate .. I’m not saying it’s her but there are some connections Eddie Singleton & Teddy Vann were friends in New York … Linda was one of Eddie’s artists recording as Linda & The Pretenders on Assault .. and Linda & The Vistas on Shrine My Bell Sound acetate of ‘Believe Me’ has ‘Teddy Vann Prod’ annotated on the label although it is pencilled over … it is therefore highly likely that they knew each other They could have just been a studio band Teddy put together for the recording but comments on YouTube would suggest otherwise .. given they performed live Unfortunately, Estelle, Eddie, Linda & Teddy are no longer with us so we cannot find out anything else from them Andy john nicastro 3 years ago Love this song! I saw them sing it in person at the local dance! But never knew most of the words she's singing! genuineuni 5 years ago Feel Calla Records didn't have the money for decent distribution. Certainly, the song was admirable and a Philly regional hit. Bill Nissley 9 years ago @rooie16 Thanks Rooie, was a very local hit here in the Philly area, always thought it had a very mesmerizing sound, loved the vocals. Kind of song that grabs one on first hearing. Though it is not for everyone.

Sounds like the lad has done good for himself ... as parents we aspire that our kids will get on in the world and step up beyond our dreams ... that’s what I worked for and I’m sure others did the same ... so he might be a bit crazy spending that amount of money on a 45 but it is what it is ... I would not, and could not, but it doesn’t mean he should not ... Andy

I sold my Attractions for £20 ... Chris Modley brought a handful back from Chicago .. mid 80s .. think I gave him £4 for it ... bloody good record Andy

Brilliant... I’m in Andy

Thanks Mark for posting a really interesting perspective ... the context you provided for its compilation was thought provoking indeed ... enjoyed reading through the list and probably like many others went " had that .. had that" .. but no longer Andy

Agree ... when I met up with her in L.A. She told me about it and just laughed it off ... and said at the time she just had to do what she had to do to try and keep the NY Motown operation going .... I then asked Eddie as this was the first time I’d heard about her pressing up copies of ‘My Guy’ ... it was part of a very broad conversation about life and times ... he didn't laugh that much about the whole situation .. he clearly was still very upset and angry about the way Miss Ray had been treated by Motown ... airbrushed out of the history of Motown in my opinion ... but I am biased Andy

I've checked the BMI song title entries for Kent Harris and he has nothing listed that is associated to Jobete, Stone Agate etc ... I've been through, page by page, the Jobete catalog which contains details of every song from Jan 59 to March 31 1967 and Kent Harris is not mentioned There are a few titles missing and unfortunately 'Gotta Wipe Away The Teardrops' is one of them ... one of the writers is Ruth Talmadge who did write a handful of tunes for Motown with Frank Wilson, Vance Wilson & Hal Davis 'The Day My Heart Stood Still' is listed and I've attached the page to show the detail Ruth did write a song, Pril Music published, called 'They Call Me Mr Lonely' with Marcene and Beverly Harris I haven't spoken to Ruth for a few years but happy to drop her a line if needed Andy

Mine plays the same as yours ... very disappointed when I got it Andy

At the time of these recordings Herman was married to Gi Gi, of the Charmaines .... Gi Gi told me she cut the demo of 'INYLAB' and at one time had an acetate of her demo but she couldn't find it when I was at her house. She said she was upset, mostly with Dale Warren, that Andrea got to record & release it as she really loved the song. I have a very vague memory that Bobby, Herman's brother, said Janice was actually Gerri Jackson ... Hermans sister-in-law, Gi Gi's sister ... I picked a copy up at Bobby's house which is why it came up in conversation .... Gerri cut 'Right Direction', with Herman, released on the flip of the Stone Blue release of 'Who's Kissing You Tonight' which they cut at Don Walden's studio in Cincinatti .... but, pinch of salt, it was along time ago and I might not be right about the Janice / Gerri statement but it is stuck in my memory and I can't think why it would be there for any other reason Andy Andy

I used to feature this version of ‘You’d Better Wake Up’ on occasions In my sets an alternate, but inferior, version was released on a Goldmine Totally Solid Hitbound CD credited to the Debonaires Andy

I listened to the show last night Dean & Alan did a incredible tribute to John ... they put together a heartfelt and respectful tribute to his life ... full of memories and stories from people who knew him and respected him The words from Val Shively were touching ... I felt his loss and admiration in equal levels I would urge you all to listen Thank you D&A .... you did him proud and if he had been listening I'm sure he would have cracked a smile Andy

Thanks ... missed it but got it now A