Sebastian

Really looking forward to that!

Haha! My mistake. Sorry! The differences between the orig and repro of JD Hall are explained here and three posts down:

Great info from neckender! Can someone please post up a picture of a yellow labeled copy. All I've ever seen have been orange. The ones that look yellow on Popsike are actually orange. I know because a few of my friends bought those exact copies and they are deep orange. Can someone please post up pictures that illustrates the "significant dip" vs. one that hasn't got a dip? Just tilt the record so that light reflects the dip and take a picture of it. The reason I keep asking for these things to be put forward is because it is not hard nowadays to take pictures of records or scan them. Yet, no one is doing it. Providing proof that two issues exists should be easy if the differences are so apparent. Yet, no one is doing it. And when people aren't able to prove things that are EASY to prove, then that makes me question the whole thing.

I don't have them side by side. I thought that was obvious by my initial post. That's why I asked for the exact matrix details of the two different issues. If I had both there would be no question, the darker green would've been the bootleg. But I couldn't make that comparison. Hence I thought your comment "you can clearly tell by the label colour which is which" was a bit flippant. Hope you understand what I mean. Apparently I haven't. Mine has got the correct matrix details. 5444 on the a-side, 5544 on the b-side. The bootleg has got 5544 on both sides.

The original looks pretty iffy as well if you ask me. They even got the matrix "wrong" on the original (surely should be 5444-A / 5444-B if they'd done it right). Knowing the matrix is the best way to determine its authencity. It seems to be the definite way of telling the boot from the original without even having to see a scan of it. Also, the "R" and "P" in "INCORPORTATED" bleeds into each other on the bootleg. On the original there is green space around both of those letters. I'm having a total shit week and the last thing I needed was recieving a bootleg of this 45. Please excuse me if I come across like a jackass.

If you have both issues in your hands at the same time, yes. However if there are such glaring differences in the matrix info as in this case (5544 on both sides on the boot, 5444/5544 on respective sides on the original), surely that's an easier way to tell which is which?

Well, that's the clincher! Mine is an original. Big thanks!

Thanks! I've looked at that thread as well, but it's still confusing. The matrix info on the original that you describe corresponds with mine, which is promising! 5444 on "Destination" and 5544 on "Crying". But what are the matrix details on the bootleg? Can anyone confirm what they are?

Thanks again! I don't think the "MZL" on this one can have been scratched in by hand after the record was pressed. I've always been lead to believe that the surefire way of telling the boot vs. original is in the 5444/5544 matrix details, but perhaps that info is the same on both the orig and the boot? Would be great to get a 100% answer on this one from Manship or anyone else on here who knows for sure.

Thanks for your reply. I really hope so as it corresponds with what is written in Manship's guide (and that is what I relied on when buying this 45). I just got a bit thrown by the fact that the "MZL" is scratched in and not stamped (I assumed it was going to be stamped and look exactly the same on both sides). Also the whole "olive green" label (orig) vs. "sherwood green" label (boot) is a bit hard to tell when you don't have them side by side. Has anyone on here got the bootleg/second issue that they can describe in detail? Big thanks in advance.

Thanks for the clarification, Kev. I don't think Chuck Wood sounds like any of the J.R. Bailey tunes I've heard, but stranger things have happened.

Yes, that one is ridiculous. And perhaps once again a case of people not wanting to accept the truth. I'd wager that as many as 98% of all the copies that have been sold as originals over the years are repros / second issues that came from the artist himself. The original 7" issue with sharp non-dot matrix lettering on the label is very rare.

I think so too. Just wanted to be sure as he quoted a paragraph where I was talking about the Frederick Hymes 45.

Reviving this thread. What are the exact matrix details on the original vs. the bootleg? Which one has got the following in the run-out groove (note 5444/5544)? A-side: TAMPETE-5444-A MZL B-side: TAMPETE-5544-B MZL (everything is scratched in) Thanks in advance.

Assuming that you're talking about the Frederick Hymes 45, can you please post up a picture that catches the light shining through the vinyl? For future reference it would be great to actually confirm, with a picture, that such a 45 exists.

OK. I just want to find out what the truth is, but until someone comes up with exact proof of the differences between the suposedly two pressings I'll keep shut.

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I understand where you're coming from but if there now exists a second issue of this 45 which has got see-through-ish vinyl, then it must've been pressed in at least a somewhat decent amount of copies. The chances are pretty much non-existant that EVERYONE that has got one of those in their collection is horrified and don't want to post up proof about it to save their face. The odds of that happening and that everyone affected feels the same and want to guard it as a secret are slim to say the least. People really can't be that delusional? I think you really should have. At least then we wouldn't have to go round and round in circles over this matter... Are the copy that you compared yours to no longer around? Is it totally impossible to do the comparison again?

That reminds me of William Bostic's "What You Do To Me" that William himself pressed up recently. I've seen them being sold as first issues lately on eBay and from some dealers. The typeface on the label is slightly different when compared to the original and is being sold by William as a re-issue (so no sneaky business on his part ofcourse).

OK, just so I get this right: Your friend Bobby Jay says that these three artists... Chuck Wood Al Wilson (!) Rubin ...are infact all records done by J.R. Bailey or Vernon Harrell? None of the 4 sides by Chuck Wood on ROULETTE vocally sounds anything like Vernon Harrell.

Why wouldn't they? I mean if it exists, get the info straight. We are discussing and documenting bootlegs and reissues all day long on here, so why is it so sensitive with this particular 45? If I had a see-through copy I would post up a picture of me holding it in front of a light bulb. Everyone can be fooled from time to time, but at least get the facts documented instead of just spreading rumours.

I totally agree with you.

If anyone on here has got a copy that they can see the light through when holding it in front of a light bulb - please post up a picture of it. This thing keeps coming up. That the second issues that exists are see-through. If NO ONE on SoulSource has got a see-through-kinda copy, and can prove it, chances that it exists are remote in my opinion.

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I could also do with a copy if anyone has got a stash. How about Chuck Wood? Any further info about him? I have a feeling that it's not the same artist on all the 45s in this discography: https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/cwood.htm The Mercury and SSS releases definitely aren't. They're all country.