Sebastian

Are you sure that it is from Belgium? BIEM is a french organisation. SABAM is its belgian counterpart.

OK. That could be the order of release. It still doesn't make sense to me that "A3" would come before "A" though. Also it is weird that there suddenly is a spelling mistake on the labels that has got the "A" mixes. One would think that it was corrected for the "A3" release. Anyway, we will never get to the bottom of this unless someone involved in the recording/pressing comes on here and settles it. And it doesn't really matter, I guess. Both mixes sound more or less crap most of the time. A pity because it's a good tune. I just wanted to highlight the fact that there are two very different mixes because I've not seen that fact mentioned much, just a lot of people saying/writing that the "first issue" is the one with red/white label. And that just doesn't make sense seeing as there are two different red/white issues...

That doesn't make sense to me because the "second" mix (W 104A3) doesn't exist on multi-coloured label as far as I know. Surely the second/newest mix would be used for the nationally distributed 45? I think that the order of the releases are: W 104A - red/white W 104A - multi-coloured W 104A3 - red/white Why would the "A3" mix have been done before the "A" one? Also, the "A3" mix has got the correct title ("You're..."). The "A" mix doesn't ("Your..." on both red/white and multicoloured). I assume that the title was corrected for the later "A3" issue. It could ofcourse be that the "A3" mix is the first one, but I doubt it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a test-pressing of an "A2" mix as well, but it was scrapped due to some reason before making it out to the public.

Yes, both have got pro's and con's. Hard to explain what I mean with that it doesn't "gel", it's just that on the W 104A3 mix it sounds as if Jesse sings "on top" of the music and the music is way back in the background. Almost as if it hasn't been compressed at all. There is no punch to the music, but the vocals are clear. The one to have in my opinion is the W 104A version and keep buying it until you find a non-distorting copy of it. The W 104A3 sounds very thin and crap when played at a venue. Below are soundclips of both so you can compare them for yourself. Both files are recorded using the exact same equipment and set-up. W 104A version: https://www.shingaling.com/W104A.mp3 W 104A3 version: https://www.shingaling.com/W104A3.mp3 As you can see below, the WAV files also look very different. W 104A version: W 104A3 version:

As explained above there are two different release with white/red label with different matrixes and label variations. The one with W 104A3 matrix plays without distortion but is mixed badly (in my opinion). The one with W 104A plays with more or less distortion seemingly depending on which stylus you play it with. Or perhaps it was just a case of the stampers being used too long and "later" copies in the pressing run suffer from bad sound quality? I've had three copies of the W 104A issue. Two of them have played with bad distortion but the one I have now is the cleanest sounding one yet.

"Your/You're Not Loving A Beginner" was released twice with very different mixes on them. One of them, supposedly the first issue, exists with multi-coloured AND white/red labels. Both have got W 104A matrix and "Your" mis-spelling on the label. The sound is super-compressed and sounds distorted when played with some styluses. The other one, supposedly the second issue, only exists with white/red labels as far as I know. It has got W 104A3 matrix and "You're" correct spelling on the label. It has got a much clearer sound, but mastered with almost too much dynamics. The vocal is mixed much louder than the backing and it doesn't really gel.

I've got the dutch 45 as well, here's my copy: Would be great to see the Australian issue!

Yes, "You Can't Hide From Yourself" was released as a 7" in Holland with a picture sleeve in 1977. As far as I know that is the only place where that tune gained a 45 release at that time. It has got "I Don't Love You Anymore" on the b-side. That 45 from Holland does however seems to have been quickly withdrawn and another Teddy Pendergrass 45 with the same catalogue number is far more common and it has got "I Don't Love You Anymore" on the a-side and "Somebody Told Me" on the b-side.

Haha! Might be a good idea to merge the non-sales posts in this thread with the other thread?

Most likely. I found a ZTSC number for the 45 on the IVANHOE label prior to the Eddie & Dutch mentioned above: ZTSC 142564 - Raymond John Michael - Let There Be Love - IVANHOE 501 That's about 30 numbers prior to Mel Britt. It got a review in Billboard on February 28, 1970.

It most likely is from 1970 going by the ZTSC numbers. Check this out, the Eddie & Dutch 45 got mentions in the press in mid-March 1970 as being a "big seller" and that 45 was mastered before Mel Britt: ZTSC 142558 - Hindal Butts "Ž— Welfare Cadillac - M-S 220 ZTSC 142559 - Hindal Butts "Ž— In The Pocket - M-S 220 ZTSC 142560 - ZTSC 142561 - ZTSC 142562 - ZTSC 142563 - ZTSC 142564 - Raymond John Michael - Let There Be Love - IVANHOE 501 ~ ZTSC 142585 - Eddie & Dutch - My Wife, The Dancer - IVANHOE 502 ZTSC 142586 - Eddie & Dutch - Can't Help Lovin' That Girl - IVANHOE 502 ZTSC 142587 - ZTSC 142588 - ZTSC 142589 - ZTSC 142590 - ZTSC 142591 - ZTSC 142592 - Mel Britt - Love Invented Misery - FIP 650 ZTSC 142593 - Mel Britt - She'll Come Running Back To Me - FIP 650 ZTSC 142594 - ZTSC 142595 - ZTSC 142596 - ZTSC 142597 - ZTSC 142598 - Jerry-O - The Funky Chicken Yolk - BOO-GA-LOO 107 ZTSC 142599 - Jerry-O - Get A Line - BOO-GA-LOO 107

And definitely no date printed on the promo either:

Yes, there are two different issues with different catalogue numbers. Released almost two years apart. A&M 1054 - 1969 - Robin Wilson - Better Use Your Head / Walk Away A&M 1317 - 1971 - Robin Wilson - Better Use Your Head / Bitter Honey Issue of #1054:

The promo doesn't have a date printed on the label. Some old radio station copies might have a date stamped on the label, but it isn't printed.

To confuse people even more, I guess?

Del Capris "Hey Little Girl" on KAMA SUTRA and RONJERDON is an entirely different tune than The Construction "Hey Little Way Out Girl" though.

No bids again...

Yes. https://www.ebay.com/itm/110983164151 https://www.ebay.com/itm/110979523016 https://www.ebay.com/itm/110974561746 https://www.ebay.com/itm/110971728315

Billy Lee Riley's "Happy Man" was apparently covered up as Otis Smith "Down The Road".

Looks like a dutch or belgian 1970's bootleg to my eyes. Most likely done for the fantastic deep soul side. It did get an official release in France, but it doesn't look like that at all.

I would definitely double-check the title on the record before I entered this as the title of the auction... https://www.ebay.com/itm/330833202906

While in the HTML tab, replace your current non-functioning URLs with: https://www.divshare.com/download/20919111-d41 https://www.divshare.com/download/20919114-5b8 [/code] It might/should work.

That is true, but I can assure you, even if I have a good sounding/mastered 1:45 minutes long song in mono that I want to have pressed as loud as possible onto a 45 I wouldn't get the same punch/loudness as on a decently pressed/mastered vintage 60's 45. No one seems to know how to do it anymore. Apart from Timmion in Finland perhaps.

Some of the best pressed/sounding vinyl records of all time are jazz, folk and classical records with lots of quiet passages. I think it's more to do with the fact that vinyl mastering, stamper/plate manufacturing and record cutting is pretty much a dead art form (and has been since the mid-80's). You have to look long and hard to find pressing plants and engineers who actually know what they're doing. And even then, it seems nigh on impossible to get a record pressed/cut REALLY loud (like Fabulous Peps "With These Eyes" for example).

The original 45 version has been officially released on two different equally superb Kent/Ace CDs: "Wild Thing - The Songs Of Chip Taylor": https://acerecords.co.uk/wild-thing-the-songs-of-chip-taylor and "Northern Soul's Classiest Rarities 3": https://acerecords.co.uk/northern-souls-classiest-rarities-3