Sebastian

Stock sopies of Brown Sugar regularly sells for £40-£50 on eBay.

Not a rare 45, but always desirable, so goes for £15-£25 on eBay.

Sure, seriously sub-par vocals, but there's extreme energy in both "Latin Freak" and "At The Disco". I personally wouldn't mind one copy of each release (with the different flipsides).

My copy of Christian Plicque on eBay sold for $159.11.

Thanks for the clarification! The orange/black copy is usually passed of as a first press when I see it for sale.

So... is this the first press: or is this at all the tune we're talking about? I'm sure I've seen a label design which is orange/black/yellow as well. Is that the reissue?

There are at least 5 different 45s by Angela Davis on Flaming Arrow. Manship is currently auctioning one of them: "My Love (Is So Strong)".

Thanks for the additions! It's the same version of "Patsy" which is included on all 45s, it's an instrumental and Major Bill Smith seems to have included it on 45s when he didn't want to "waste" studio time/money for a second tune. The track entitled "Cool" which has shown up on loads of Major Bill Smith-connected 45s is the same recording as "Patsy" and it wouldn't surprise me if "Alpine Winter" also is the exact same... Do you know of 10 releases of Charay 60!?

I agree, it's great! Both sides actually, nice rocking instrumental on the b-side. I also have it on Revue, but original issue was on Charay. I used to collect the Charay label but gave it up as it was too damn confusing. It's "bad" enough to only collect Pic & Bill 45s...

Here's one from David Flynn's Anorak Corner web-site which I originally helped put together for the RareSoulForum (it's not complete and has got a bunch of errors in it, but it's better than nothing I guess... check out the multiple releases for certain cat# like 60,20,28,33,44 etc. I think I have some additions here somewhere as well): CHARAY 13 J. Frank Wilson - Last Kiss '69 / Black Car 14 Riels - There'll Be An Angel / Tuxedo Junction 15 Castlemen - Donna's Dream / Long Black Veil 16 Florida Deep Six - I Don't Wanna Cry / Start From Here 17 Elite - One Potato / Two Potato 18 Bill Mack - San Antonio Rose / Blue Jean 18 Bill Mack - Six Big Men / Blue 18 Bill Mack - San Antonio Rose / ? 19 Canadian Rogues - Oop-Poop-A-Doop / Keep In Touch 20 Larry & The Blue Notes - She'll Love Me / Everybody Needs Somebody 20 Larry & The Blue Notes - She'll Love Me / The Phantom 20 Larry & The Blue Notes - She'll Love Me / Talk About Love 20 Mark V - She'll Love Me / The Phantom 21 Dawning Villagers - A Girl Named Shea / ? 22 Goodsons - Twisted Mind / Alpine 23 Howard Crockett - Star / Word 23 Howard Crockett - Cross Eyed Mary / Strike A Match 24 ? 25 James Duncan - Waitin' On That Train / My Baby's Back 26 Amos Milburn - Gloria / The Last One 26 Amos Milburn Jr. - Look At A Fool / ? 27 Misfits - Work Song / Turn On Your Love Light 28 Wyld - Fly By Nighter / If I Had It 28 Wyld - Fly By Nighter / Lost One 28 Wyld - Lost One / Know A Lot About Love 28 Wyld - Lost One / Alley Oop 29 ? 30 Wayne Rozell - Paper Clown / ? 31 Elite - My Confusion / I'll Come To You 32 ? 33 Danes - To Make Me A Man / Lost Love 33 Danes - Little Summer Girl / Just A Dream 33 Sirs - Wow / Sixteen Candles 33 Bruce Channel - Hey! Baby '67 / Tipped Out 33 Bruce Channel - Hey! Baby '67 / My Baby 33 Bruce Channel - Baby Please Come Back / Baby Heartbreak 34 Dirte Four - On The Move / Hang Up 34 Dirte Four - On The Move / I Want To Give You All My Love 35 Jimmy Stewart - Ann / Patsy 35 Martha Starr - Sweet Temptation / Little Girl Blue 36 Rick & The Keens - You Can't Go / Rose Marie 37 Nat Kelly - Looking Back / Down the Pike 37 2 + 2 - Fact That I'm Back / I'll Take My Chance 38 Willie Hobbs - On The Move / Gloria 39 Carolyn Sullivan - Do You Believe In Magic? / Alpine Winter 40 Wayne & Wise Men - Take My Advice / Cinda 40 Electric Love - This Seat Is Saved / Gotta Get Back To My Baby 41 ? 42 ? 43 ? 44 Larry & The Blue Notes - There's No Other / You Cheated,You Lied 44 Larry & The Blue Notes - In And Out / Love Is A Beautiful Thing 44 Larry & The Blue Notes - In And Out / I'll Be True To You 45 Art & English - Why Did He Go Away / If'N 46 ? 47 Gene Summers - The Clown / Green Eyed Monster 47 Electric Love - This Seat is Saved / Gotta Get Back To My Baby 48 Paul - Happy Music / Hey, You Walk On Me 49 Sue Marin - Alpine Winter / Happiness Across The Street 50 Ray Roberts - Baby / ? 51 ? 52 ? 53 ? 54 ? 55 Mitch & The Mistys - Gonna Leave / Hey Baby 56 Elite - Bye, Bye Baby / All I Want Is You 57 Those Guys - I Want To Hold You Hand / Teresa 57 Those Guys - You Bet It Is / Teresa 58 Uptowners - She's Mine / Down The Pike 58 Mitch & Mistys - Patsy / She's So Fine 59 ? 60 Pic & Bill - What Would I Do / What Does It Take 60 Pic & Bill - What Would I Do / Patsy 60 Pic & Bill - Patsy / Over The Mountain 60 Pic & Bill - Patsy / Together Till The End Of Time 60 Pic & Bill - How Many Times / Funny How Time Slips Away 60 Pic & Bill - How Many Times / I Love You, Baby 61 Billy Mills - Monkey Time / Under The Pines 62 Paul & Paula - Hey! / Walk Through The World With Me 63 Orville Couch - Gone / If You Really Want Me To I'll Go 63 Orville Couch - Patsy / ? 64 Texans - Patsy / ? 65 ? 66 Mitch & The Mistys - I Lost My Head / Let It Be Me 67 Pic & Bill - It's Not You / All I Want Is You 68 Upper Class - Can't Wait / Help Me Find A Way 69 ? 70 ? 71 Rick & The Keens - I Cry / The Hippie 72 Jimmy & The Mustangs - Ruins Of Time / Summertime, Summertime 72 Jimmy & The Mustangs - Try To Love Me / The Ruins of Time 73 Pic & Bill - This Is It / Nobody But My Baby 74 Fiery Spartans - Cool / Talk About Love (same recording as Pic & Bill) 75 Ron-Dels - 100 Pounds Of Honey / Hey! Baby 76 ? 77 ? 78 ? 79 Ray Roberts - Alpine Winter / Together Till The End Of Time 80 Patti Johnson - Walking After Midnight / ? 80 J. Frank Wilson & Cavaliers - The Clown / Cool 81 Upper Class - Renee / Wow 82 C. Vaughn Lesley - I Need Someone / Together Till End Of Time 83 ? 84 ? 85 Mark II - Alpine Winter / Dead 85 Mark II - Dead / Bread And Soul 85 Mark II - Wipe Out / Soul Of A Man 86 J. Frank Wilson - Day Before Our Wedding / Boy Lonely 86 J. Frank Wilson - Darling / The Clown 86 Uptowners - She's Mine / Down The Pike 87 Robert Thomas - Salvation / Soul Of A Man 88 Nat & John - Pretty Woman / Alpine Winter 88 Pendergast - Wow / Break My Mind 88 Pendergast - Wow / Sheila 89 The Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / East Of Eden 90 Cresa Watson - Salvation / ? 91 Cresa Watson - Alpine Winter / These Boots Are Made For Walking 91 Cresa Watson - Dead / Alpine Winter 91 Cresa Watson - A Woman Is A Nice Thing/These Boots Are Made For Walking 92 Leon Rausch - Last One / ? 92 Nat & John - Louie Louie / ? 93 Chili Ray - Moon Mouse / ? 94 Paul - Lollipops, Teardrops / Down The Pike 95 Johnny & The Mark V - Sands Of Malibu / Down The Pike 96 Country Dick Lightfoot - Miner, Sixty Niner / ? 97 Phil Watson - Jan / Walk About 97 Phil Watson -Have You Lost Your Children America? / Jan 98 ? 99 Pic & Bill - Talk About Love / A Man Without A Woman 99 Pic & Bill - Talk About Love / For The Good Times 100 Gene Summers & The Platinum Fog - Hot Pants / Young Voices Of Children 100 The Men From Macon - Salvation (inst.) / Black Velvet 101 Rita Lee - Salvation / So Ho 101 Ronnie Kelly - Tough / ? 102 Bruce & Patty - Thanks / ? 103 Danes - Lollipops, Teardrops / Teresa 103 Danes - Just A Dream / Little Summer Girl 104 ? 105 ? 106 Charlie Brown - Carla / Pt.2. 107 ? 108 Bobby Wayne Loftis - Back Together Once Again / So Good For Me 112 Men Of Sugar Hill - Calvin / ? 227 The Cattlemen - Black Mountain Rag / Down Draft 303 Danes - Little Summer Girl / Just a Dream (33) 304 Linda & Damon - Forever / Always Lonely 700 Cresa Watson - Dead / Alpine Winter (91) 701 Jimmy Stewart - Patsy / You Just Need to Love 1004 Scotty McKay & the Jomo Men - High on Life / If You Really Want Me To I'll Go 1005 Bruce Channel / Paul & Paula - Hey Baby / Hey Paula 1010 Sunny & The Carolina Tikis - Teen Angel / Rap

The Fiery Spartans probably were Pic & Bill's backing band and that's why on the right on the Fiery Spartans label you can read "Vocal By: PIC & BILL". There is no need to put up a soundclip because the Fiery Spartans release is identical in every way to the Pic & Bill release(s). The Fiery Spartans 45 and the Pic & Bill 45s have been pressed using the same stamper and has got identical matrix markings.

Don't know about the UK issue, but it was originally issued in the US on United Artists 594.

The french Soul Record release has got decent sound quality, but the one on spanish Belter sounds very muffled. Here is the Fiery Spartans release, it is indeed insanely rare:

It's a bit strange to see the rather common euro releases of this tune selling for £100-£200 and then both of the mega rare Pic & Bill issues of "Talk About Love" on Charay (issued with two different flipside) sell for only £200-£300. Based on quality and rarity it should be £750 at least. I don't know how much it is in the Tim Brown and Manship guides, can anyone please check? The first release of "Talk About Love" (the exact same recording, but about 20 catalogue numbers prior to the Pic & Bill issues) is credited to Fiery Spartans (Vocal by: PIC & BILL) and I've only ever seen one copy of that one and it's the one I've got. Not interested in selling it, but would ask for a LOT of money if I ever did. If anyone has got their "What Does It Take" 45 on Charay for sale, please PM me.

SR 1 is worth about £10. SR 7 is expensive (even though £200 is optimistic) because it has got "Talk About Love" on it, which is EXTREMELY rare on its original US Charay release (releases really, as it was issued three times, but is still almost impossible to track down).

There's a Classic Example LP as well on GSF. I've sold my copy so can't check for any members, but here are some pictures of the album:

It's the original issue copies of: Major Lance - Too Hot To Hold / Dark And Lonely - OKEH 7226 which has got the small 45 RPM logo. White demos has got the big logo though.

Yes, that's right. Those with "painted labels" (Amy/Mala/Bell type 45s) are styrene though. I don't know for sure when it comes to this particular 45. But I've had other Okeh 45s like Major Lance "Without A Doubt" pressed on vinyl and with a scratched in matrix number instead of stamped. But really, we should get Manship on this thread, he might know.

That's the big 45 logo. Looks alright to me, apart from the fact that I've never seen it on vinyl prior to this. Wouldn't mind a vinyl copy instead of my styrene one actually. Pounding tune that one!

Yes. Pressed up a year or so ago. Value should be about £2-£3.

Two latest copies on eBay: May 30 - NM- cover/NM vinyl - $87 May 26 - VG cover/VG vinyl - $178

Yes, most of the time a cheapie to pick up when you find it. For example, a copy sold for £6.99 about a week ago on eBay and it only recieved one bid.

Kent released a truly superb CD in 2005 which celebrated the early 6T's and 100 Club events, check it out: https://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?pa...mp;release=4494 It's called "6Ts: In The Beginning" and I hope there will be further volumes.

Ah OK, must've missed that. Can't see what one would have against destroying the reissue copies of this 45...

Aren't the pink label copies second issues anyway... pressed up by Red Coach, quite some time after the white demo copies, due to northern demand? I'm sure I've read that years ago. Someone put me straight if I'm wrong.