Sebastian

The only way you could do what you describe above is if you had the original "mother stampers" that the original 45 was made from. If you have that AND you're able to press it at the factory where the originals were made AND they let you bring your own plastic mixture that you've made from old melted 45s... then you will get the exact same audio reproduction and run-out etchings. Perhaps that is what has happened with the King Tutt 45 you've got? I don't know, I just think it's fascinating and would like to know how to distinguish between an original and the counterfeit. If you don't have the original "mother stampers" then you will not be able to make an exact counterfeit of a record. You might get the run-out groove etchings and run-in/run-out widths correct, but the the volume and wave form of the audio WILL differ between the original and the countereit no matter how much work you put into it. Properly mastering and cutting a lacquer/stamper for vinyl production is a dying art (and has been for about 25 years).

That is extremely unlikely to happen - if not actually impossible. And sorry for harping on about this... but proof about the difference between originals and counterfeits can usually be found by studying the info in (and the size of) the run-out grooves. You've written that the info in the run-out grooves is the same on both the originals and the counterfeit/"limited reissue" that you've sold, but I don't believe that it is written in the EXACT same way as on the original and it's almost entirely impossible to make the run-out and run-in grooves match the width and amount of turns on the originals. Would be great if you could post up this info for the "limited reissue", but I'm not holding my breath.

I just did an A/B comparison and they are the exact same recordings, but mixed and mastered quite differently as Dave pointed out. The brass is more prominent on the Maple/Canyon issue and the piano is more prominent on the Lee John issue. But all ingredients can be found in either version, they are just buried or highlighted in the mixes to different degrees.

I agree. I just wanted to highlight that they were all the same recording, not different versions (as in different vocals, different backing track etc.).

The Crown Four and Chosen Few releases of "Birth Of A Playboy" on the three labels LEE JOHN, MAPLE and CANYON are all the exact same recording, they are not different versions. The LEE JOHN mix has got a lot more treble compared to the MAPLE and CANYON releases though. The release info for the 3 releases is as follows: Crown Four - Birth Of A Playboy / Love Of My Girl - LEE JOHN 619 Chosen Few - Birth Of A Playboy / Taking All The Love I Can - MAPLE 1000 Chosen Few - Birth Of A Playboy / Taking All The Love I Can - CANYON 1000 "Love Of My Girl" and "Taking All The Love I Can" are not the same tune. As far as I know The Crown Four, The Chosen Few and The Adventurers (on BLUE ROCK) were different names for the same group (bar one member or so).

There must be some difference in the matrix markings between the two different versions. Would be great if anyone of you who currently have a copy of this can post up what it reads in the dead wax and specify which version you've got. Thanks in advance!

It can't look exactly the same as on the original so it would be great if you could post up some pictures of the dead wax matrix info. And focused pictures of the labels as well (turning on the "macro" setting on your camera should do the trick) Here are pictures of the matrix details on an original copy. "D-A-N-C-I-N'" side: "YOU'VE GOT ME HUNG UP" side:

From what I understand the BUNKY 7" issue is legal but was issued in 1990, ten years after the original 12" release on AL & THE KIDD which was issued in 1980. The FYNAL VYNAL 7" is also a legal reissue done in 1985.

Keep your eyes peeled on eBay and do constant searches for it. It turns up every now and then and I've seen several cheap copies sell during the past year. Here is one of them, which ended 2 months ago at £23: https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=180298370436

Usually sells for £15-£25.

Really nice to see that video! Nearly fell off my chair when he showed that "Schytts" LP! They're a schmalzy swedish schlager type of band and one of my relatives used to be their singer... Have never really thought about what their name sounded like when said in english...

You have a point there, and I agree with you to some extent (I still consider it to be one of the rarest Johnny Guitar Watson 45s though), but those "cheap" copies from 5+ years ago that you speak about have now been snapped up and they are not leaving collections by the look of it. There haven't been many copies offered for sale of this 45 during the past two years. How rare a record actually is seldom plays a big part as far as the price goes when a record comes up for grabs that otherwise seldom comes up for sale.

Some more info here: https://www.yearoftheblues.org/features.asp...CE5C231CA}& https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacock_Records https://www.bsnpubs.com/abc/robey.html

Obviously I was the person selling this record so might be a bit biased... but you've got to be kidding? Why should that Johnny Watson record sell for £30? Over 60 people had it on their "eBay watch". There's big demand for it and it doesn't turn up for sale often. Those two factors combined usually result in high record prices. And having been included on a very popular recent Kent compilation CD helps as well. It is a rare record despite the fact that you haven't payed more than £10 for any of your copies. The actual rarity of a record usually doesn't become apparent and it doesn't start to fetch big bucks until they've become popular and more people know about them. Judging from the e-mail I recieved just about an hour ago from the buyer, it would be a big surprise if he doesn't pay for it (or the other record he bought!). Ofcourse he will. Almost everyone pays for the stuff they win in eBay auctions. The non-payer ratio is about 5 to 1000 in my experience.

Only about 1-2 hours left on these auctions now. Thanks for looking! :-)

They only had one 7" release on BRC as far as I know. This one: Eliminators - Give It Up / Blood Donors Needed (Give All You Can) - BRC 113 Might be the one you're thinking about?

Thanks for pointing it out, I've posted in the wrong section and didn't notice it until now! Big apologies, I usually always post in the auction section. Any of you moderators: move this thread to the correct section if you feel like it. Sorry, I don't sell records set sale or for "offers" on forums at all anymore. Why not set up a sniper tool to place a bid for you? That way you will not need to have access to eBay when the auctions end.

There's about 3 days left on these auctions.

William Cummings - Make My Love A Hurting Thing / Just Yesterday's Dream - BANG BANG 348 William Cummings - Your Soul Searching Love / Joanna - BANG BANG 2923

Fantastic tune in my opinion. And much harder to find copies of than most people realize.

I just found out that Senator Jones passed away in his sleep on November 29th this year and his funeral service took place this past saturday (December 6th). Very sad.

WOW! Great stuff! I can't quite make out the full title of the "... My Baby's Back" side on the SAPPHIRE 45. Do you know what it is? Thanks for pointing that out. Salena also got an issue on UK Columbia. Have added the additional/correct info to the discography in the first post now. I'll post up some clean scans of the Whurley Burley 45 when I find it... (have searched a couple of hours for it, have no idea where I've placed it! )

Thanks for that! I have added that info to the listing above. Also found another Bell 45 plus one on Sapphire. Can it be that the "The Sheriff" 45 in R&B indies is in fact the 45 released as WHURLEY BURLEY 101? Is INTERNATIONAL CITY 729 mentioned in R&B indies?

I've just found a Senator Jones 45 that I've never seen mentioned anywhere. It's on the INTERNATIONAL CITY label and has got two good sides, especially "Eenie Meenie Miney Minnie & Moe" which has got gritty vocals and second-line drumming all the way through. Has anyone of you come across it earlier? I thought this label was fairly well researched but can't find a mention of this disc. While I'm at it, here's a discography of Senator Jones 60s solo 45s: INTERNATIONAL CITY 729 - Eenie Meenie Miney Minnie & Moe / Country Soul WATCH 6337 - Sugar Dee / I Think Of You HOT LINE 120 - Whatcha Gonna Do / Boston Fleet WHURLEY BURLEY 101 - Call The Sheriff / Let Your Self Go SAPPHIRE 913 - Baby It's Too Late / My Baby's Back SHAGG 713 - Do You Love Me / Who's Loving Her Now SHAGG 801 - The Fat Man / Today And Tonight BELL 687 - Miniskirt Dance / Sweet Thing Has anyone got anything to add?

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