Dave Moore

Your 20 years too late Len. It was played out for a while back then. Poor vocal though so never really made an impact. Regards, dave

There a number of tangent threads about this side of the record industry. Different groups of interested parties learned different lessons which enabled them to either, 'get away with things' (in the case of record companies and distribution companies), or ensure their work was ring-fenced financially (artists etc). The lessons learned by the early independent pioneers were passed down to future generations. The likes of Ollie Mac, Kae Williams, etc had their children enter the business and especially in Kae Williams' case he was well 'educated' by his father in the way to do things. The cut out came about as a way of identifying whether a record had been sold through the system or not. Once returned for credit, if it had the cut out it couldn't be returned again. It's a common way of identifying inventory status in a number of other businesses too. One of the best ways to be successful as a black entrepreneur back then was to actually control as much of the products journey through the market stages to the point of sale as possible. Hence you find artists, record label owners, radio DJs, radio station owners, jukebox company owners, etc etc all making partnerships with each other in order to strengthen their chances of success. A good example of this was the Jamie/Guyden set up. Harold Lipsius and Jimmy Bishop teamed up and in the process owned artists contracts, rights to songs, (got writing credits!) , the labels the songs were released on , parts of the companies that distributed the product and the DJ's that played them. In some cases they actually owned the studios too! (Motown, Virtue, Cameo Parkway, CBS, RCA etc) Things were (still I think), well stacked against the independents. Hence, of all music recorded on the planet 99.9% of it is owned by 4 (although it may now be 3) companies. Paul Mooney or Ian D might have up to date info on this subject though. Wanna jump in guys? Regards, Dave

It's a great subject is promotion and distribution. It's a complicated tapestry of good talkers, good ears, DJs on the take, DJs owning labels, large companies setting up distribution outlets, artists setting up their own companies, Radio influences, Music industry papers like Cashbox and Billboard influences, the different charts for different musical genres. And once a record hit in a city it was playing catch up to try and repeat that success nationally. East Coast plants, Mid West plants, West Coast plants, When you talk to people involved in it all they certainly relay a sense of excitement and adventure about it all even if they never attained that pot of gold at the end of their particular rainbow. Regards, Dave

Also, Much of the raw material was recycled and as soon as it looked like a hit wasn't forthcoming stock copies were retrieved and recycled by some of the majors. Of course the promos were already in the 'system' and beyond reach. The Majors were slow out of the starting blocks when it came to that 'darned new fangled soul music'. Their businesses were set up to produce 'Race Records' and as such the full might of their business often didn't include a fully matured promotional set up for the new crossover music. A good example of his is partly why Berry Gordy eventually chose to 'go it alone'. The example of the Yum Yums is a good one also. I maybe put that down to Jimmy Bishop taking over the group just after it was recorded. He wasn't averse to a bit of shennanigans behind the scenes and with Harold Lipsius in tow I reckon he may well have scuppered the ABC release in order to promote them under his Arctic banner. Pretty powerful blokes in Philly at the time, Bishop and Lipsius. Many record producers were making records with the actual intention of getting picked up by a major. Good examples of this are Pied Piper (RCA), Ollie Mac (Atlantic), etc. Get some local airplay, generate some local interest, punt it to a major and if the timing was right - distribution deal. If not, move onto the next project. Regards, Dave

Can't beat it! Few scoops, lid off yer Mates' boxes and off you go! See you on 21st Mucker. Regards, Dave

I'm lucky in that I can move stuff back to the shelves and replace my homeplay box with another 200 and crack on for a month or so then do it again and again. I have in recent times however moved stuff on that I haven't played for 10/15 years and bought others that I've not had before. I wondered whether I'd miss the fact that some of my records were not on the shelves anymore but I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't. The new ones I've brought in I probably wouldn't have bought if I hadn't moved some on so for me it worked. I don't really want to continue spending 10,000s of pounds continually buying 45s that I never play so although it may not work for everybody it worked for me and has re invigorated my interest somewhat. Hope this makes sense! Regards, Dave

Ah, the bane of the Ebay warrior! Save yer dosh Russ, I'm off to Philly again in March, you coming? Got a good trip planned. Regards, Dave

Why though? He's just using Ebay to advertise his shop. Seems alike a good idea to me. Worldwide record collecting audience, cheap way to get your word out there I would have thought. Regards, Dave

Dave, Sorry Matey, I thought this had been returned to you. I'm about to hit the road but on my return I'll dig it out and sort it. You off up to Seattle? Best, Dave

Happy days Kev eh? Like a small Band Of Brothers! He He! The Harthon Weekend still gets me smiling and laughing even now. Hope the move goes well Pal. Best, Dave

Nah Nick, you must have us mixed up with someone else. We weren't bad, we had character! Regards, Dave

Sunday Nights around 78 were spent in Burnley at The Concorde for our lot. I saw Dave at the Burnley Allnighter and Guy's 50th a few years ago but ain't seen him since. He still around or gone back to 'lurking?' Thread has reminded me of some of the records we brought back to Burnley around then: Sam Williams Frank Dell Flame N King Don Varner Patti Labelle Plus loads more. Happy days indeed! Regards, Dave

Yep, Some great nights up in Nelson/Barrowford/Barnoldsick area back then. Gary, John Rennie, Barry Wad, Brad, then our loonie crowd from Burnley. Skipton crowd over regularly inc Guy and Pete. Happy Days! Regards, Dave

This ain't a bootleg is it though? It's a reissue specifically for the Northern Crowd isn't it? Regards, Dave

Cracking post! Regards, Dave

That was 2010 you loon! Regards, Dave

More classics up for grabs. As usual all are EX unless noted. All are 100% guaranteed originals. Full refund if not happy. Prices in GBP and include recorded delivery shipping. Insurance is extra though if you require it. Payment by Paypal, as a 'gift' or bank transfer please. PM or hitsville2648@earthlink.net if interested, thanks for looking. Best, Dave Lula Reed - Walk On By Me - Tangerine W/DEMO - 100 Xol Lee David - Temptation Is Calling My Name - Columbia DEMO - 150 Youth Opportunity - Of Hopes Dreams and Tombstones - Columbia W/DEMO - 300 Dean Courtney - I'll Always Need You - RCA W/DEMO VG+ - 125 Bobby Paris - I Walked Away - Capitol DEMO - 200 Lou Roberts - You Fooled Me - MGM ISSUE - 75 Ad - LIbs - New York In The Dark - AGP VG+ 150 Frankie Crocker - Ton Of Dynamite - Turbo - 200 SOLD Kenny Lonas - Would You Believe - Columbia W/DEMO - 40 Lydia Marcelle - It's Not Like You - Manhattan W/DEMO - 150 Jeanette Harper - Pick Me Up And Put Me In Your Pocket - 20th Century W/DEMO 150 Gerri Grainger - I Go To Pieces - Bell Demo - 250 Johnny Bartell - If This Isn't Love - Solid State DEMO - 120 Tony Middleton - To The Ends Of The Earh - MGM DEMO - 150 August and Deneen - We Go Together - ABC DEMO - 150 Darryl Stewart - Name It And Claim It - Wand DEMO - VG - 100

Yep. All Detroit stuff. If you make it I'll let you buy me a beer! Safe journey home Pal, Dave

Damn!! I been looking in the wrong place!! :D I always believed it was Texas, can't remember why now? Found lots of their other one but alas no Rainy Day as yet! The hunt goes on Mucker! Hitsville 2011 = :thumbup: Enjoy your upcoming leave Matey, You able to make Brothers Of Soul? Best, Dave

I thought The Parliaments was a Texas release Russ? Cabell - Va? Regards, Dave

Yes. Although I'd say that Northern Soul is also rapidly en route to the same description. Regards, Dave

First one of the day: Philly Devotions - Hurt So Bad - Columbia Demo Regards, Dave

Fantastic! Thanks for posting. Regards, Dave

Mario, You need to contact Dante. He is from Mexico also and he runs nights there. He is on here. Regards, Dave

THE most important event in the History of Northern Soul: Date: 1959 Event:: Berry Gordy borrows $800 from the Gordy Family Collective. Reason: Just about everything else stems from this pivotal event. Regards, Dave