Dave Moore

Proper! Regards, Dave

You're not alone Carl. There are many "DJs" currently scrambling for bookings every Friday and Saturday night in UK that did exactly the same. And in fact, still do it. Huge difference between collectors and DJs. Aren't too many in my opinion that can wear both hats properly. Regards, Dave

Sooner the better. ;-) Regards, Dave

Alan (and Glenn H), were with Bev and I this week too. They'd have both loved this week for sure. 4 years.....seems like yesterday.... ;-( Regards, Dave

I'm a little snowed under at the minute in Manchester, but I'm determined to return to this thread and pick peoples brains as much as I can. Regards, Dave

John, Worth it for Weldon's photos alone. Bill Dahl's the guy who wrote the Arctic - 'Cool As Ice' sleeve notes recently. Regards, Dave

Final rehearsals now underway in Manchester. Band worked really hard in the lead up time....and it shows. The New Century Soul Anniversary event will recreate the magic of Leon Huff, John Madara, David White, Jimmy Wisner, Joe Renzetti and Len Barry! One more session to complete and it'll all be in place for Saturday night. Can't wait. See you there. Regards, Dave

Hi Kev, Sorry Pal, I should have remembered it was Bobby Jay's info. Those fantastic trips were sometimes info overload! Do another........Las Vegas! Regards, Dave

Kev Roberts has all the details on Chuck Wood. I think his DJ firnmed, Dick Heatherton, (Joey Heatherton's brother) knew him. Kev? Regards, Dave

Hi Robb, When you say 'influential' whom do you mean were influenced? I know that later groups like Little Anthony and The Imperials, Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers were influenced by earlier doo wop groups but was it the sound they were replicating or did they actually include anything outside the four/five part harmonies that happened naturally. I've always believed that Richard Barrett was probably the major force in the transitional time of early soul music. As part of The Valentines etc he was at the heart of the doo wop era and by the 70s had taken a group of girls (The Chantels), from that particular era and created the sound of the Three Desgrees. I'm aware that it's a narrow and focused point in that I'm only using NY/Philly as a yardstick. I think another influential factor was the sheer amount of black vocal harmony groups vying for a deal at the time. This was surely the time when black musicians/artists could actually see that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. On a national level I mean. The second Migration had taken place, millions of black people were now part of the industrial complex and with that came openings and opportunities. With Bandstand just around the corner, the seeds were sown for an explosion of music in all directions and once Frankie Lymon took the show by storm, the genie was out of the bottle. Groups like The O Jays. The Isleys, etc were a direct result of these factors I think. Another question I had was about the relationship between Rock n Roll and Doo wop. Obviously the artists themselves could interchange between the genres but what would you consider the peak of the doo wop era and what was it competing with in terms of other music? Great thread. Regards, Dave

RT-113? LOL! Regards, Dave

Good Call. Regards, Dave

Well, I suppose someone has to take the plunge music wise so here we go.... I've selected these tracks to cover the time period we're initially looking at as they were all reasonably successful and so presumably were regarded as up there with the best examples of what was en vogue at the time of release? Not scientific I grant you but at least it'll kick-start any discussion. All four of the groups are regularly held up as outstanding exponents of the vocal group sound that would later be identified as 'doo wop' so if there is a sound progression to the soul sound then I'd thin k it viable that these groups were part of that 'linkage'. The development of soul was, in my opinion at least, also influenced by factors outside of just the 'musical sound' but they can maybe be added into the mix once we get the initial starting point established? Regards, Dave Ink Spots - 1940 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp2Hwi9qM48 Orioles - 1948 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1q7xXXVoCY Lee Andrews - 1956 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjmITH4nao Little Anthony 1958 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6fLgOvu7k

Hi John, All good stuff this... I've always assumed that the origins of doo wop lay back in the 40s with The Ink Spots, The Mills Brothers et al and that the torch was passed as it were to The Ravens, The Orioles, Billy Ward and whole host of other 'bird' groups. Apart from The Orioles, I'd have placed the other groups you highlight, after that timeline first put forward. Hence my comment/use of the word 'defining'in relation to the doo wop era. eg. Lee Andrews' mid 50s Rainbow and Gotham recordings for Kae Williams, for me at least are great examples of the black, group harmony sound, that would eventually assume the doo wop tag, whilst Little Anthony's later outings under the guiding hand of Richard Barrett would for me typify the transitional Doo Wop/Soul golden era. By this stage we'd seen the emergence of the electric guitar and there was no requirement to imitate the instrumentation which is where a lot of the doo wop skills originated from? I'm by no means an expert in the doo wop genre and have only approached it as a fan in the past really, rather than some investigative angle so I'm hoping to learn some things on this thread if we can keep it going. Hi Jocko, My comment about Rock n Roll was based on my belief that the rock n roll era was at it's most significant in the mid 50s. before it was purloined by it's white imitators. I suppose when discussing these genres and their timelines and influences we need to accept that there will have always been artists/groups that were around at the same time periods but making 'peripheral' music that now, with hindsight, sticks out as innovative, progressive or even ahead of it's time. Bit like Northern Soul really eh? Regards, Dave

To create a trail from soul music to the beginning of the doo wop era is easy to do. Just like it's easy to trace it back to Rock n Roll, jazz, blues and whole gamut of other genres. But to find a group/artist that were/was around at the real beginning of black group vocal harmony, say like The Dixie Hummingbirds for instance, that stayed the pace until the highs of the soul era, say the mid 60s, is difficult I'd say. If you take the defining doo wop era as post Rock n Roll, now that's a different matter. but I'm racking my addled brain for an artist who enjoyed any success in the earliest days (Louis Jordan as an example in 1940) that was still enjoying any kind of success by 1965. Are we looking for the birth of soul here or are we looking for it's foetus? I'm not quite sure? Good thread. ;-) Regards, Dave

Spoke to 'Mr Emotion' this evening. He's in fine form and he and Martha are both really looking forward to seeing and meeting everyone at Radcliffe. He'd just got back from singing 'Othello' at the opening of a swish new Italian Restaurant in Philly. From Opera to RnB, it's all in his repertoire! Two weeks to go! Regards, Dave

A FULL life for an extraordinary and humble man who contributed to lots of other spheres of life in addition to music of the city. Sleep Well Teddy and congratulations on a job EXTREMELY well done, Sir. Regards, Dave

Well done chaps (and Chapesses). Chuffed to bits it all went with a bang for you. Great stuff! Make sure Ginger keeps a hat on! Regards, Dave

Cash raised.....sales now closed. Many thanks for all the interest guys. Regards, Dave

All Set Sale. Prices in UK Pounds. All are in EX condition or are as described, No quibble guarantee. Your happy or you get your dosh back. Postage is from Spain: Europe: 4UKP ROW: 7UKP Bank Transfer preferred (it's free!) Or Paypal via Gift option. Eddie Reagan Hide And Seek ABC Paramount DEMO 50. SOLD Roy Hamilton Crackin Up Over You RCA DEMO VG+ 100 SOLD Jimmy McFarland Lonely Lover RPR DEMO (xol) 150 SOLD The Agents Trouble Liberty Bell (Slt ringwear) 400 Lee David Temptation Is Calling My Name Columbia DEMO - VG+ (slt rub on label edge) 120 SOLD Ad Libs New York In The Dark AGP - 200 VG+ 150 Tony Hestor Watch Yourself Karate DEMO- (sml smol) 175 Tony Middleton To The Ends Of The Earth MGM DEMO 200 Gene McDaniels Walk With A Winner Liberty DEMO (xol) 100 SOLD Lydia Marcelle It's Not Like You Manhattan DEMO (Tough) 200

Moh Jake (Maurice Bailey), passed away at the Cliveden Convalescent Home in Germantown Penn last Saturday (2nd November 2013). His battle with Muscular Dystrophy finally getting the better of him via respiratory failure. He was 81 years old. Sadly his equally musically gifted brother and drummer Donald "Duck' Bailey passed only two weeks ago too. No doubt they'll be poring over charts or arranging the choir together now. Mr Bailey's contribution to the Philly musical landscape was understated but immeasurable. Just thought it right and fitting that the details of his passing be recorded here. Sleep well Mr Bailey, and congratulation on a job EXTREMELY well done Sir. Regards, Dave

Sad to have to report that legendary Philly artist, songwriter, producer and all round musical influence Morris Bailey has passed away. No real details as yet but Morris had been ill for some time. Details posted as they come from the family. For those that are maybe not familiar with name of Mo Bailey.... here's just a couple of his contributions: Regards, Dave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbE198liUxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq5lZMdRVzA

Benny is Bunny's brother. He has sadly passed on. They never recorded together, which is a great regret of Bunny's. The whole story of their relationship will be in the new book. Regards, Dave

I think the 444 release only got to the test press stage. Regards, Dave

It's all to do with Dave Godin's Soul City set up and his leasing the track from Harold Lipsius I think. Regards, Dave