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Go on.... push the boat out Pete and go check 'em out. Take a stab and see if you're right. ;-) Regards, Dave
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Had some great nominations so far. Lots of variation and a few surprise along the way too. Here's a few of the early front runners to be the very first inductees! Here's a link to the list of nominations up to now: To make your nominations simply click on here: You gotta be in it - to win it! Regards, Dave
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I baulked when I saw it too! Regards, Dave
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Video: the interpretations - snap-out - 1969
Dave Moore replied to Mike's topic in All About the SOUL
What a fantastic piece of footage! I've never seen that before! I think, recorded at 447 North 60th Street in West Philly, in the basement of Joe Stevenson's house! (Same place that Bernie Williams and Gene Woodbury were done), then leased to Haral Records before being released on Bell, who distributed Haral. Carl Helm was a Philly DJ, so maybe he had some connection to Haral? Varell Johnson was a Philly record guy too. He worked with Frankie Beverly's Maze. Great catch Mike. Regards, Dave -
Thread now moved to more appropriate: Radio Forum Regards, Dave (Mod Team)
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Tonite - Northern Soul Bbc Living For The Weekend
Dave Moore replied to Mike's topic in All About the SOUL
Can't let that pass Mate. The really sad thing is that you put the chance to enjoy the company and sing and dance alongside LEGENDS, in their own back yards, alongside their family members in many cases, behind some kind of 'holier than thou', misguided loyalty to a scene a million miles away from the people who actually created the music that's at it's very core. eg. Me: "Hello Mate, Can I help you with that drum set?" HIM: "That would be great!" ME: "Jeeze, that was hard work, fancy a beer now we've finished" HIM: "Sure, what they call you?" "ME: "Dave, you?" HIM: "Willie, Willie Henderson, I'm with the band". The Soul Trips to the US were fantastic if you sucked it all up. They were hugely chaotic by their very nature. You never knew who was going to turn up next. Many of us were running round like blue arsed flies in case we missed anybody. I'm not talking just major stars here I'm talking people like group members who you'd given up hope of ever meeting, they came out in droves to be honoured by people like me and lots of my mates. (And in most cases put a few $$s in their pockets). And for those memories alone I'll always buy a beer for the people who set it all up. Not falling out with you, but just putting forward my personal view. Regards, Dave -
The Hytones - Bigger And Better - Abet - Current Value?
Dave Moore replied to Cheapsiderecords's topic in Look At Your Box
Kev, 350/400 depending on condition I reckon. Good Luck Mate. If he has any sleeved Mint REO 45s I'm yer Man! Regards, Dave -
Tonite - Northern Soul Bbc Living For The Weekend
Dave Moore replied to Mike's topic in All About the SOUL
I gave it only a 1 I'm afraid. Mainly because I thought it was boring! Same old talking heads telling same old anecdotes (with a couple of new ones probably thought up the day before?) Just saw it as an ad for a film by vested interests, which will probably also bore the arse off me. Maybe it's just me, but none of this affects me, affects what I do, or influences me at all. And to top it all off......Waterman, Blackburn, Stansfield, Norman Jay (MBE...ooooh!), Stringfellow etc! But no Goodies doing Black Pudding Bertha!? What's all that about then? Not enough in these programmes about the music I feel. I enjoyed Martin Freeman's Detroit documentary much more. And NOTHING will ever match Ian Levine's TSWONS. Regards, Dave -
Thousands did it in 1980. See you in 20 years when you can bore us all wanting to relive your yoof! LOL! Regards, Dave
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Yep, It's all being prepared behind the scenes. Should be ready shortly. ;-) Regards, Dave
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Just to update Members..... The Soul Source Northern Soul Hall Of Fame is almost in place. We are hoping to establish it and start receiving nominations on 01 August. Thinking caps on Peeps! Regards, Dave
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Guide books are like guide dogs......best used by the blind. Regards, Dave
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Dave, I'd have thought this was at least as hard to find as the others on the logo. I've only ever had one of these whereas I've had or had the opportunity to own many a Tony Middleton or Edwin Starr demo. Great record. Regards, Dave
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Hi Dave, Have PM'd you. Regards, Dave
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A number of Members have suggested that Soul Source could establish a Northern Soul Hall Of Fame which the site believes could be a great asset. Not only would it give recognition to people who we, the fans, actually believe should be recognised but, if developed in a way that inductees have their own page(s), bios and whatever else is deemed worthy, could in fact create a place that could contain information about our heroes/heroines all in one location. So to that end Mike has given us the go ahead to see if we can get it off the ground. Ms Lorraine Chandler, who first suggested the project and I will do the initial legwork but it's planned that Members of the site play a full part in it's development. It's envisaged that it would work in a similar fashion to the US based HOFs in that a Board with a cross spectrum interest would select inductees from a list of nominations in a series of categories. Therefore the first thing to do is to ask for volunteers for The Board. Please don't feel that you need to be an intense anorak or that you've not been around long, enough, don't collect 45s or are excluded for whatever reason. This will only be worthwhile if it's the result of a broad mix of fans. If you're a Northern Soul fan, you're qualified. We're looking for an initial six volunteers and each Board member will share an equal responsibility. You can volunteer via this thread or via PM if you prefer. Looking forward to hearing from anyone that fancies pitching in. Lets see if this great idea is doable. Regards, Dave
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Lorraine, I've PM'd you. Check your messages and we'll see if we can get something off the ground. Regards, Dave (Mod Team)
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Anyone ever seen a promo of either LP? Regards, Dave
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Reflections Romeo And Juliet on Golden World San Remo Strings Hungry For Love on Ric Tic That's all folks. Regards, Dave
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Brothers Of Soul On Detroit Public Access Tv In 1968
Dave Moore replied to Blackcab's topic in All About the SOUL
Proper! Regards, Dave -
Good. I hope they took their overhyped prices with them too. Regards, Dave
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Most record diggers will have at least a few of what became known over the years as simply ‘Little LPs’. The traditional soul fraternity are fortunate enough to have had a number of larger, better distributed labels show interest in producing these interesting discs including Atlantic, ABC, Okeh, King and of course Motown. But what on Earth was it that made the Stereo, 33 rpm, multi track, single 7inch disc, seem an attractive prospect? To appreciate the history of the ‘Little LP’, it’s probably best to revisit the historical timeline of the record industry and highlight its major developments and its relationship with its customers. The format for the 7 inch vinyl single was unveiled to the public and music industry as a whole, as far back as the first RCA industry wide bulletins on March 31st 1949 and would be consolidated by the major companies, led by RCA in the 1950s. Small, compact and more robust than previous discs, it became an immediate success and would remain the recognised, most popular format for music buyers for the next 50 years almost. The first RCA 45rpm singles were manufactured on fantastic, colour coded vinyl that allowed buyers to categorise their purchases by genres via the actual colour of the disc. (1) The early discs were manufactured and categorised as follows: Country and Western... (Green), Popular... (Black), Classical... (Red), Popular Classical... (Midnight Blue), Children's... (Yellow), Blues and Rhythm... (Cerise), International... (Sky Blue). Coloured wax/vinyl has been around since the very first 45s were issued. The innovative 7inch disc that had been under development for almost a decade, revolutionised the way record dealers could promote and sell the wares as well as providing the record buying public with a much better way of storing their music. The new discs weighed only 10% of what the previous shellac 12inch discs weighed, so distribution costs were slashed, mail order boomed and shelves were filled with much more product than in earlier times. Perfect for the post war booming, teenage record buying public. So how come, with the 45 rpm single being the dominant market format did the 7 inch, 33 Little LP come to fruition? Well, by the end of the fifties (from 1958 onwards), the stereo mix had been developed by a number of companies including Bell and Decca but had been perfected by Audio Fidelity, and RCA’s rival Columbia Records were stubbornly maintaining their 33 rpm format. Many labels were jumping on the new Stereo format and started releasing their 7inch single discs as such. Columbia especially fought the corner of the existing 33 1/3rd rpm format rather than adopt their rivals much vaunted ‘new system’ 45 format. But in 1958, stereo records were more expensive to produce and required updated, expensive equipment for them to be heard as intended. The record buying public weren’t quite ready at the time for these expensive changes and the format slinked back into semi-obscurity for a couple years leaving the Mono 45rpm single as king of the formats. The 33 Stereo single was still manufactured by some labels but it wasn’t looking too healthy for its future. However, Bernie Lowe’s Cameo Parkway record company, Philadelphia’s industry leading label decided to test the idea of the 33 single once again, but this time with a twist. They released Chubby Checker — PC 5001 but put 2 songs on each side. The addition of 2 extra songs couldn’t muster any record buyers enthusiasm though and the disc bombed. Both RCA and Columbia again tried with the format but they too struggled to make any worthwhile sales. It would appear that the 33 Single/EP was doomed. Not quite though. Archie Bleyer, owner of Cadence Records announced in 1961 that his company was releasing a series of six 7 inch 33 rpm discs with 3 songs on each side. They were called ‘Little LPs’. Unfortunately for Bleyer, his discs suffered the same fate as the previous 33 ones. You’d have thought that that was the demise of the 33rpm 7inch disc but once again...it wasn’t quite the dead duck many industry insiders thought it had become. The people who were paying particular attention to the amalgamation of multi tracked 7inch stereo records were the Seeburg jukebox company. (2) During the latter part of the ‘50s the 33 stereo single had been slowly gaining status with the jukebox companies who often issued them in packages of btwen 5 and 7 discs on one single artist, specifically for jukebox use and, by the autumn of 1962, Seeburg were close to unveiling what they claimed was a revolutionary new product and the 33 Little LP, if produced in stereo, would be a perfect match for the new stereo jukebox they were about to unleash. (3) Seeburg also felt that adult listeners bought albums and as such would respond to segments of those same albums being available at diners and entertainment spots. (4) The resulting promotion opportunities for their original LPs weren’t lost on the record companies either and by the time of the jukebox’s launch in 1963 Seeburg could boast an impressive roster of labels producing the Little LPs for their outlets including ABC Paramount, Decca, Mercury, RCA, et al. Seeburg not only saved the 33 Stereo Little LP, it drove the record industry to re-evaluate it, develop it and led to other Jukebox operators incorporating it into their business. By 1965 both Wurlitzer and ATI, the other 2 main operators were also utilising the format. With a purchase price of $1.49 per disc and the offer of 3 songs for 25c, jukeboxes were doing a roaring trade and at the same time promoting the full size LPs that they were predominantly culled from. (5) Despite being aimed solely at jukebox operators much of the distribution for the discs was conducted through the usual outlets and so many of the discs could also be found in retail outlets. As far as soul music on the Little LP format is concerned, most majors released their material in the format and the artists signed to the likes of ABC, Capitol, Okeh, Atlantic and of course Motown were well represented on the jukeboxes of the day. There’s even a good smattering of Northern Soul available in stereo at 33rpm on 7 inch. Barbara Lewis — Baby I’m Yours — Atlantic SD 8110 being a great example. Of course Motown became the most collectable of the soul label releases. Utilising the same artwork used on the full LPs from which the tracks are drawn the company benefitted from a promotional aspect as well as direct sales and some of them have become sought after items now. I’ve highlighted here the most popular ones and the only ones I can ascertain being a different cover to the original LPs are the Greatest Hits ones and the The Motown Sound: A Collection of 16 Original Big Hits Vol 6 which only show the six titles included as opposed to a full track listing which appears on the original LPs. The height of popularity for the Little LPs was undoubtably the mid 60s when Motown also hit its zenith so no surprise that their LP product features heavily. By the close of 1967, Seeburg had sold their Little LP operation, (Manufacturing and Inventory and Distribution) to Robert Garmisa’s Garmisa Distributing based in Chicago but Garmisa’s plan to release the Little LP versions in tandem with the full LP release hit a brick wall with record companies, distributors and jukebox operators alike and after only a year the company sold off its remaining inventory and called it a day and for a while no Little LPs were being produced. The Little LP would still have a couple of last breaths though when it was revived in 1970 by a couple of companies, Gold-Mor distributing Co, based in Englewood, NJ and owned by Bernie Yudkofsky would reduce the previous output by only releasing limited numbers of LPs every year and in the three years the company operated released a total of 57 titles. A little more productive was the second company that took on the task of issuing Little LPs, the Robert Prutting owned, Little LPs Unlimited which operated out of Northfield Illinois. Prutting was the son of a clarinet player and musical conductor who also worked for the Seeburg company, which was based in Chicago. During his work with his company he decided to reduce costs by issuing monochrome paper covers, (they were in fact envelopes) and as such the later ones don’t have the same sturdy vintage feel of the Seeburg manufactured ones. He did however keep the releases going until 1975 with a total of over 250 releases which included Motown’s Supremes and Four Tops - The Magnificent 7 and LPs by Diana Ross and The Jackson Five. With the records issued with great artwork, jukebox title strips and even small copies of the artwork to insert on the jukebox panels, the records relate a time and place in music that has now disappeared and as such it’s no surprise that collectors feel a certain affinity with them and their associated peripherals. Most of the soul LPs can be found with a little determined digging although a few can be difficult to locate but hey.....if it was too easy...it wouldn’t be worth doin’ eh? Dave Moore May 2014. Notes And References The first recognised commercial 45rpm single was a Country and Western song issued by RCA Victor as a green wax disc: Eddy Arnold The Tennessee Plowboy and His Guitar — Texarkarna Baby b/w Bouquet Of Roses — RCA Victor 48-0001 The origins of the word jukebox are shrouded in half truths, rumour and unsubstansive claims. The word is thought to have developed from the African word Joot (Dance) or Jook, (another African word meaning Wicked or Disorderly). Jook Houses or Juke Joints were shacks that black field hands frequented in the Southern United States to hear music and dance at. There’s no denying its origins lay in black musical culture. During the 30s and 40s as jukeboxes boomed, it was sometimes the only way many black artists could have their music in the ‘public domain’ as mainstream radio was pretty much a white medium only. As the development of Jukeboxes occurred, the small hole found on 33 Singles and Little LPs was used to trigger a mechanism that dictated the actual speed of the platter/rotation device on the machines. Most jukeboxes could play both 45 and 33rpm records within the same cabinet set up using this method of selecting the correct sped for the correct disc. Billboard Magazine Article dated 2 April 1962: Seeburg Concept Shakes Up Ops Approach To Buying Discs. In 1965 Capitol Records committed to the 33 Little LP when they made an announcement in Billboard Magazine that they were going to work stop releasing them through Seeburg’s program and would manufacture and distribute their own versions of the company’s LPs. Billboard Magazine Article: Capitol Coming With Little LPs dated 25 September 1965. site note: For those who prefer reading in a higher quality format or via other means a pdf version of the above article has been added below Link: Little LPs Feature In PDF.pdf Past Comments Barry Jun 26 2014 01:22 PM Loved it. Cheers ------------------------------------------------- sludge7 Jun 26 2014 06:48 PM Great article! I had a whole bunch of records when I was a kid that were yellow and never realised there was any historical significance to that...! ------------------------------------------------- El Corol Jun 26 2014 11:21 PM Nice article Dave. ------------------------------------------------- turntableterra Jun 27 2014 03:27 PM always a good read mr moore. ------------------------------------------------- Flynny Jun 27 2014 04:54 PM Enjoyed that...would be great to see a similar feature on UK released EP's featuring Soul...anyone?! I'll chip in for the ones released in Japan where x47 were released by Motown alone ------------------------------------------------- wilxy Jun 27 2014 09:31 PM Interesting article Dave. -------------------------------------------------
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Quick Query - Johnny Sayles Can't Get Enough
Dave Moore replied to waterfall_manc's topic in Look At Your Box
In the immortal words of Dave Mcadden; FUKNOSE! -
Prophets: Falls into that category of fantastic up-tempo 'banger' that because it's cheap and everyone knows all the words it gets shunted out of DJ boxes. But when collectors get together and are playing 45s, it's always 45s like this that get the old vinyl-heads nodding at each other at the bar wishing they were 18 again! I played it last year. Year before I played 'Moody Woman' Year before that I played 'Shotgun and The Duck' Year before that I played 'I'll Never Fall In Love Again' Etc.. Etc... The day there's no room for these gems to be dropped amongst the rarer, equally quality 45s, is the time I'll give it all up. Regards, Dave
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Quick Query - Johnny Sayles Can't Get Enough
Dave Moore replied to waterfall_manc's topic in Look At Your Box
Only ever seen one of these in the flesh so to speak, that's Ginger Taylors. Anyone else got one? Been looking for one of these for over 20 years. It's a beaut! Regards, Dave