Dave Moore

Not true I'm afraid, I booked them a couple of times on the same bill in Burnley at the Concorde Club in '78. They also appeared a little later with Pat Brady at the same club on the same night. I'm prety sure that was the first time all three had appeared together at the same event too. They were the 'Top 3' then in my book.

Outstanding efffort Dave. Congratulations. Worth a beer at Prestatyn I reckon.

Carl, Your songs are not crap. Keep at it my friend. If it was easy......everyone would be doin' it. Good luck in DTown and ENJOY the process Mate. Looking forward to hearing it all.

Then why can't they sell it? That's really the crux of my initial post. It simply doesn't sell/chart and that's what my question was based upon. No-one has said that there's no soul left in US Black music. I don't know how people can interpret what's been discussed here as having anything to do with whether House music is soul or not. Bugger off and start your own thread. My observation was geared on the fact that the current US music buying fan seem to prefer the pastiche of the European's style as opposed to creating their own. Unusual in an industry that relishes copying the lastest fad as quickly as possible for a fast $$. .

Yep, Paul owns the Val catalogue. He's a mine of info on labels/artists around the area. He also has some great vintage pics of the eras artists.

Yep I'd also agree with most of that too Dave. I know the music is being produced, (albeit in much less quantity than in the past). I also find it strange that the likes of Henry Stone can't seem to dent the RnB/Pop charts, even with his experience. The Three Tenors and The Philly/Detroit projects haven't shown on any chart in the US to my knowledge either. My original question was more to do with the US soul buying public rather than the actual music's production. It's a small introspective world is the soul scene, we tend to elevate our importance as paying fans, if only soul fans bought soul music it would never show on ANY chart. To chart it needs the 'regular' music buying public to respond to it. With the likes of Amy W, Joss S and Duffy the great British public did that and hence their success on your shores. That success is now being exported to the US. Strange eh? That the UK is now exporting 'soul' to the US and the US music buying public are lapping it up. Until Clear Channel in the US open up their playlist management or someone decides to take them on, then I fear that the days of specialized fm radio in the US are numbered. Thank God for the internet. Like I say...just an observation.

Then I stand corrected. Many thanks. She recorded here though (Europe) right? Her success is based here? I know they've tried to penetrate the US market but I never heard anything by them on any radio station there. Shame...they deserve success there. Hopefully the US market will embrace them eventually.

Hi Boba, Yep, I'd agree with that. The influences on young black musicians/singers in the US is bound to be reflected by the commercially successful artists that came before them to a large degree. The same artists would have influenced the Amy's, Duffy's and Joss'. In an industry that is falling apart at the seams due to the result of the internet's influence I'd have thought some enterprising producer would have jumped all over the retro soul sound in the wake of Joss and Amy's success. In my opinion the Duffy success is a result of Amy's success in the commercial pop market. Ain't no big thing....just an observation.

I think you completely missed the point of my post Mate. As I stated, it wasn't a critique of the music being produced in the US. It was more a look at the music buying public and their differences on either side of the pond. I've not criticized anyone or anything. I've simply put forward an observation that UK/European music buyers seem to have a penchant for retro soul produced to sound like the classic period of the 60s. You'd think that with the success of Amy, Duffy, Joss etc that some enterprising producer/label would have spotted it and maybe tried to reproduce it is all. It doesn't surprise me in the least that 'the people making "our" music probably have never given a massive thought to making music to suit the dance floors of Northern England'. I never stated that they did or should have. In fact I don't relate that part of your post to anything I wrote. I simply asked a question. I don't understand the 'rant'. I've searched out Southern Soul with some sucess but thanks for the tip it's appreciated... I think Amp Fiddler is the dogs nads. But that wasn't really the point I was attempting to make. I never made any comparisons with ANY artists. Did you actually read my post Jocko? PS... Any CDs will be gratefully recieved. No 6Ts though...I have a houseful of that already. Cheers.

Would hardly class Amp with the new generation of young soulsters to be honest. I'd also not regard him as a 'retro' soulster. He's been around for over 20 years and good as his music is I wouldn't say he's enjoyed the commercial success of the European's I listed. My post wasn't a critique of US music but rather just a general observation about the people who listen to music on both sides of the Atlantic more than anything.

Here's an observation: Amy Winehouse Joss Stone Duffy Nicole Willis Sven Zetterberg All white or/and European/British singers enjoying lots of chart success. (Whether you like their efforts or not is immaterial). I think it's fair to say that their music is based on the traditional 60s soul 'sound', even if you do think it's a pastiche of classic soul. Recent top similar acts in the US (the traditional place of soul music)? Sharon Jones. Have we got more discerning lugs or have the US music buying public finally been swamped by the plastic ghetto orientated gangsta rap gubbins?

Weren't the Del Larks and The Salvadors booted around the same time on lookalike's? Del Larks blue and white with the Queen City logo and The Salvadors on a blue (PB) boot? It was also a ploy of Mr S to advertise 45s and then send you 'substitutes' as the one you ordered was 'out of stock'.

Christ On A Bike Brian, you've got Butch playing within walking distance of your house on Friday, you've a group of respected local collectors playing at Rolls Royce once a month. Middleton and Lifeline are a mere bus ride away, Weekenders in the general area providing a myriad of styles of soul on a regular basis, the legendary artists are swamping the shores of the UK like never before! What's not to like?! Disillusioned? You shoukld be out at weekend sucking it uip like a bleedin' hoover! If that don't suit, jump on plane with Dave Fand Kev P in April. We'll have you dancin' yer ass off in Valencia!

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Hi Malc, Can't see the photo too well but I suspect it's the vicar's mob? Father's Angels? Often presumed to be an incarnation of an early MFSB. Father Angelo and Jerry Ross finest hour.

Hi All, Issue #7 of There's That Beat! is now available on the website at: www.theresthatbeat.com Subscribers copies are in the mail today. As usual it's rammed with scans and pics, this time round we look at the what was arguably the world's first soul supergroup The Vibrations. As told through the words of Carl Fisher, the driving force behind the group. The prolific works of legendary producer, Mr George Kerr comes under the spotlight and we also bring you the story of Soulville/Jaywalking Records from Harrisburg, Penn. A great story of young avid musicmakers, some of whom are still involved in record making. A couple of features on Bobby Robinson's Harlem Record store and a look at Motown's complete set of TOPPS Cardboard discs rounds off the issue. All in full glorious glossy color - just how it should be. Some back issues are still available but no Issue 3 or 4 left. Issues 1 and 2 are also about to sell out. We'll be at Prestatyn with a certain amount of issues if you wanna reserve a copy. Here's a peek preview..... ">

PM'd you Mate.

Hi Mark, It's to fill a gap in my 'M' box Mate. Anyone?

Spencer - Searching For Love - Midtown 3503. Demo preferred. Anyone?

Dave, Should you desire an 'escort'. I'm free for a couple of days after Prestatyn.

I personnally think that quality will always out and although Lulu has recoreded some mighty drivel she's also hit the mark with lots more. I think Joss Stone should be made to sit and take notes on this performance from Lulu. JS - Completely manufactured 'pap'. Lulu - Honest, heartfelt performances every time. Soul? Maybe not, but quality? Without a doubt.

Try this Matey: https://stores.ebay.com/The-Original-Wax-Museum

Chalky, The Wax Museum in NC sells lots of good repro posters. Always on Ebay and at the moment has stuff featuring Appreciations, Harry and The Galaxies and a few others. Hope this helps.

As Roger has said, at Hitsville SC we're trying to show good quality scans of a number of complete label discoghraphies. https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/Forums/Forum25-1.aspx Eventually the discographies willl contain all the differing variants of both US and UK demo/stocker and a low quality soundclip. If anyone wants to place scans on there simply send them to info@theresthatbeat.com and I'll add them. It's a MASSIVE job that will take years and probably never be finished, but it keeps us out of bother eh?

Not seen in UK, don't think he's been there. I've seen him twice in the US, once in the mid 80s and once about a decade later. Superb vocalist, enjoyed the show both times. Did do most of the 'Shimmy Shimmy Ko Ko Pop' era and a few of his well known hits. NO GFYG or BUYH or Never Again. Would love to see him belt out his Northern hits.