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ITS ME AGAIN I FOREGOT TO SAY I HAVEA WHITE BLANK ORIGANAL HAND WRITTEN I KNOW THAT IT WOULD NOT INPRESS PETE S BUT I LOVE IT DAVE KIL

BY THE WAY WHOEVER PUT THE RED A IN AS A DEMO HAD THE RIGHT IDEA AS THAT IS THE WAY REAL DEMOS LOOK DAVE KIL

The answer is yes on origanal press and as an origanal demo we are talking pride of place in your rare UK box Value would be down to offers for such a rareity 2nd issue demos are hard to find also DAVE KIL

I am one step ahead of you I have emailed him I should get some reply tomorrow night DAVE KIL

Shame its not J Wyatt, however i know a man who bout all the stock from the Presisant wharehouse when it closed he is the expert on this lable. On a differant presidant subject he found 50 demos & 40 issues of RAY MERRAL lucky sod that how we know that its so rare and issue are the rareist but demos look better DAVE KIL

Cheers for that, it explains why I have not recieved any freebees from lawrance for ages Irealy did not know, as in the main like most recored collectors that is what i buy not CDs many thanks DAVE

I remember the days that no DJs played Boots except for John Vincent who often played EMI discs and did not care about it also RASS Wistanly the man who looks like a Bootleg and is conviced that poeple went to the Casino to see him as he invented Northern Soul did you know that?. I personally loved my little box of bootlegs in the early days Soul Sounds, Out Of the Past and other lables like Soultown and Canterbury we all did but I have to agree that why dont poeple try and get hold of some classic soul thats afordable to them and not wasre money on this crap if it is lagit ie Kent then buy it but the poeple who buy this stuff thinking that they are going to get there money back are fooling themselves however you have got to addmit even repital dealers who for many years would stand up and expose the botlegers sell them MS included and why does ebay allow it as there policy says it should not be on it as Dave Godin said report them ti the inland revenue All the Breast Dave

My advice is leave them as you find the as in my eary days i have fucked up much more than i have cleaned up. but the use of lighter fluid does work if you take it easy. if the sticker is on a label and has been on for years there will always be a mark on most records showing it has been removed in the case of the lou pride it was enevatble to get F**ked up ask yourself alway why am I getting a rare recored at the price i payed its always the case that the big boys have got the mint one thats the way its been since the late7ts...also GOOGLE THE BEATLES BUTCHER COVER as they give ex coverage on how to peel of the stick on over lable to reveal the BUTCHER SLEEVE. Also how much is your recored worth as if its not a top raeraty meaning its value is under £300 leave it for someone else to do MANY THANKS DAVE KIL

IN THE 7TS I DID A UK TOUR WITH KOOL AND THE GANG AND THEY WAS AMAZED AT MY KNOWLAGE OF SOUL THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY AND THE FATBACK BAND ALL WORKED AND NEW ONE ANOUTHER INCLUDING ROBLAWSON AND JERRY & PAUL OF CAT WALK FAME THEY WERE ALL WORKING FOR ED KYSER AND WHEN I PLAYED THEM BURNING SENSATION OF A TAPE THEY FREAKED OUT HOWEVER BECAUSE I SMOKED ROLL UPS THE THOUT IT WAS POT AND THEY CALLED ME A COOL DUDE, BIG TIM ASHABENDIE? DID AN EXCELLANT MAG ON THIS MAN MANY YEARS AGO A COULERD MAN PRODUCTION I MUST TELL HIM CHEERS DAVE

YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM BUT HE TOLD ME THIS AT KEELE ALLNIGHTER WAY BACK AND ALSO TO MICK SMITH AS WE WERE SELLING NEXT TONE ANOUTHER HE SAID HE FOUND IT IN NEW YORK AS YOU WILL BE AWARE I COLLECT UK SOUL AND GAVE UP ON US PRODUCT MANY YEARS AGO AS SUCH I HAVE ONLY ABOUT 1000 US RECORDS MAINLY TORCH AND EARLY WIGAN TUNES I JUST THINK TO COLLECT US SOUL NOWDAYS YOU NEED A REALY GOOD JOB THE DAY WHEN I USE TO SELL SAM DEES £15 OR THE RINLEADERS £6 ARE FAR GONE ASK BUTCH TELLHIM I TOLD YOU TO ASK MANY THANKS DAVE

MANY THANKS FOR ALL THE BOTHERS AND SISTERS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS SUBJECT..How to proceed first of it jumps out at you at the quality of the black music that has train or a referance to it in the title my guess it is so popular as it represent movement for for black poeple in the USA and WEST INDIES IN MOST CASES IT MAKES YOU LISTEN TO THE RYTHM AND THE THE MESSAGE THAT IS SUNG TO IT right back to the days of theBlues the harmonica gave the simple rythm of a train beat which is most prominant on discs that come from bellow the Mason Dixon Line & the West Indies the message is that we will keep moveing and if you think about it its quite spitual in its meaning from the days of slavery the message has of liberation and indeed emancipation that the message will travel faster by music than by reading it as you are aware most black poeple did not recieve the standared of education that was on offer to white poeple in the southern states the train message took over from the work & chain gangs made the rythm by hammering in time and adding a song to it and at the right time stop and steart again this stop start rythem was tailor taylor made in the development of R&B and even in the UK in SKifle music and has progress in black music right up till today in that it is essential to have a brake in the tune. In Jamacan Ska & reggae once again if you listen to the tune the rythem is alway to the forfront as most of the poeple would find out the news from the recordes that they listened to So to conclude i would sudjest that the rythem means more than it would at first apeer represents movement for the blackman away from the position they are in the Freedom Train ect also all the outher simmular records that have travel in the river songs the horse the mule and even walking. As promissed i will complete what i think arethe best and rareist and i intend to contact ACE and sanctry records to see what they can come up with by demand. if you have further ideas as what is the meaning of soul as there are many but whats your bag what hits the spot I say its the rythm of movement to freedom once again many thanks for keeping this topic going i will report back DAVE KIL

tHE mARSHA GEE RECORED THE PENUT DUCK WAS ASSUMED BY MOST AS A CLEVER DESPTION CREATED FOR THE NORTHERN SOUL MARKET IN THE MID TO LATE 8ts AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT A CLEVER PIECE OF MUSIC IF YOU COMPAIR IT TO SIMON S EVORTS AND THE EXCELLANT EARY IAN LAVINE TUNES. BUT IT WAS TO MY AMAZEMENT WHEN I FOUND OUT IT WAS A LAGIT 6ts RECORDING FROM NEW YORK AREA ANY WAY WHAT I DO KNOW IS BUTCH HAS A ORIG COPY HOPE THAT THIS OF SOME USE AS TO PRICE WHO KNOWS THESE DAYS HOWEVER A VERY RARE ONE I WOULD SAY ...DAVE

As far as I know it did not however on a related subject the Mirwood Boots of 74 are the only way they came out as inst however there are some lecit Uk releases that come to mind of couse Jimmy Conwel Jay Boy Preformers and LA Stomp howeaver I may be wrong DAVE

HI EVERY ONE WHAT A GREAT LIST ITS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO PICK THE 10 BEST SO I WILL MAKE IT 20 AND PUT THEM ON SO YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THEM. HERES WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE RAREIST 1st OF IS A LP THAT CANT BE IGNORED AND IF YOU COME ACCROSS IT BUY IT, ITS BECOME A REALY HARD TO FIND LP THESE DAYS :- ENGINE 54 BY THE ETHEOPIONS DOCTOR BIRD, AND THE FOLLOW UP 45 TRAIN TO GLORY DB148..how about STOP THAT TRAIN KIETH AND TEX ISLAND, or the excellant voice of KEN BOOTH TRAIN IS COMEING on JA STUDIO ONE. LETS KEEP THEM COMEING DOWN THE TRACKS and what about THE MONKEES LAST TRAIN TO CLARKSVILE when i was 15 i fort they were great loved the show. TTFN DAVE KIL

THIS IS THE STUFF ITS AMZING HOW MANY REGGAE RECORDS THERE ARE AS I WAS A WEST HAM UNITED BOOT BOY IN 68 I CONSIDER MY SELF LUCKY THAT I HERED THE BIRTH OF REGGAE 1ST HAND AS ONLY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WHAT CAN I SAY SKINHEADS DID NOT GO TO BLACK MANS ALLNIGHTERS LIKE MY SELF I FIND IT QUITE ANOYING WHEN POEPLE WHO QUITE CLEARLY WERE TO YOUNG TO ENTER THESE BLUES CLUBS CLASS EARLY RECORDS AS SKINHEAD CLASSICS IN MY AREA THE ONLY POEPLE WHO COLLECTED BLACK MUSIC WAS MICK SMITH MY SELF AND ABOUT 5 OUTHERS, ITS GREAT TO SEE YOU ARE A TRUE COLLECTOR OF QUALITY BLACK MUSIC KEEP IN TOUCH DAVE K

Hi All I have spent the last 2 hours sorting out my recored room, we have all done it and quickly the sound system is on an away you go one of the tunes i play was Ray Charles The Train on a HMV red and white demo its one of those records that never gets played because its not rare, but it got me thinking that i have never hered a bad recored soul, blues R&B. reggae or even pop that has the word TRAIN in the title can you? i will start us of and see if we can make a list of train records what better way to mull away 15 minutes of life apart from the Ray Charles theres THE MEPHIS TRAIN RUFUS THOMAS..MANY TRAIN TO SOULVILE AND SKAVILE THE PIONERS & EATHEOPIANS well its over to you readers and lets hope we can make a must have all time top 10 of TRAIN records many thanks Bros & Sisters Dave

hI YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT ON EBAY No380096464938 MATRIX IS THE SAME CHEERS DAVE

AS I COLLECT IN THE MAIN UK SOUL I HAVE BECOME SOME WHAT OF A COMPLETEST WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN LABLES, I HAVE THE CONPLETE SET OF RECORDS ISSUED BY JEFF KING IN 69/70 HOWEVER LAST WEEK ON EBAY I WON A SOUL SOUNDS DEMO WHITE LABLE JK SS 1008 ROUND ROBIN KICK THAT LITTLE FOOT SALLY ANN IN EX+ CON THE LABLE IS GENUINE NOT PASTED OVER AN ISSUE, THIS HAS GOT ME WONDERING IF ANY BODY HAS ANY OTHER DEMOS? OR IS THIS A ONE OF? CHEERS DAVE (DTHEDRUG)

Try 5 live site on the bbc and see if you can catch the show again Dave

Can any one help with relavant info into this 45....CHATANOOGA RECORDS CR1002 GREAT 2 SIDER A SIDE WHEN YOU COME HOME..B SIDESHE AIN,T GONNA DO RIGHT (PENN & OLHAM) BY THE PLAYTHINGS I PAID £30 FOR IT LAST WEEKEND PLAYS GREAT HOWEVER HAS A HAIRLINE CRACK BUT EX THROUGH MY SOUND SYSTEM...DAVE

YES YOU ARE RIGHT THIS TUNE GOES WAY BACK TO THE DAYS OFF THE WHEEL THE GROUP CAME FROM THE MANCHESTER AREA AND IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF BRIT BLUE EYED SOUL, PLAYED AS AN OLDIE EVERYWHERE IN THE MID 7ts AND MOST POEPLE FOUND A COPY AT MOST JUNK STORES AT THE TIME, I REMEMBER NA NA NA NA BY STEAM BEING PLAYED AS A TOP SOUND THAT ALSO HAS A GOOD B SIDE, THOSE WERE THE DAYS..