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HI ALL.......Sebastian, Please Please DON'T WHAT ME!, I'm sure you made the remark in good faith, however alarmist words rub me up the wrong way, like people who say YOU PEOPLE> I think your point is stating the obvious and it's more nearer 99%, I was talking about the top say 100 records that got a UK release that have & will always be collected, because they are rarer than the US copy, I have quite a decent collection of US northern SOUL or RARE SOUL, the UK collection however has & will always give me more gratification, it is worth noting that most people UD top records contain the records from the Wheel Torch early WIGAN Casino, or later stuff played at the 100CLUB by people who are recognised for collecting Rare UK 45s., I'm sure you understand my jibber, as for value my quoted price is what I rate them Pete Smiths value is probably right, but I still would add a extra £50 on top, the difference in price rates for rare UK & US soul 45s has always been a mystery to me! as people who start a sentence with WHAT DAVE K

HI ALL.... It's 2014 just to remind you all, having collected soul 45s for many years, I would say I have seen more Shane Martin DEMOS, than ISSUES by 5-1. in 1975 it was selling at £40 for a issue, I concede that the DEMO is highly prized, but the issue is much rarer, like many rare records on big UK labels they are rare because no one bought them in the first place, not because a DJ played it up North 6 years later creating a demand, The fact of the matter is that like most of the records you have ever heard were discovered by collectors months even years before it was played by some "I WILL NEVER STOP DJ AT THE BIG EVENTS" Oh! how I know Mr DJ the big EGO MAN, Rare records like Shane Martin will always be a top collectable on UK DEMO OR ISSUE, the current value means nothing as most people who have a UK soul collection have a copy or if they wanted something as rare would contact the right people, other wise you will see people getting mugged for big money for the inferior US COPY, rule of thumb is with a tiny exception the UK copy is much rarer than a US copy. I am not interested in the people who say US records are 1st issues not 2nd issue, (exception is DAVE RIMMER), as I stated the scene for me has always been about RARE SOUL not a DJ play making it in demand?. for most people they only collect US because they missed the boat for the top UK RARE SOUL 45s. The only chance of getting Shane Martin for under £300 is thieving it, getting it from some poor soul who owes money or you buy a collection, oh! or a rough copy, I rate it at £500 DEMO £400 ISSUE, and yes I have seen copy's sell for less, that's why I would rather in demand trade records to get the true rare ones, as you can always buy them back again at a later time for 1/4 of the price, MY COPY. DAVE K

HI ALL proper value £30 issue, promo £50 tops, I bet no one on this site can make it over a ton, DAVE K

HGI ALL ... that's the producer telling Ike Turner to sling his hook, & he the introduces Tina to Ty I think. that's right DAVE K

HI All my mate had a white DEMO KEITH, and not yours but the other blank looks familiar? trying to locate a TRI SOUND WHITE LABEL printed Demo, is in the same league as Larry Atkins Highland Demo, or Earl Wright THUMB A RIDE DEMO?? I have seen 2 out of 3, DAVE K

HI ALL.... A COUPLE OF THINGS, DJs who get freebies!, in the early to mid 7ts it was relatively easy to get on a mailing list. All you had to do is right to a record company & ask them, in reply they took some basic info about you, were you a journalist or in the music trade, if you ran a mobile discotheque, were you a house DJ (working for MECCA, TOP RANK, & so on), the average size of the audience you played to, & what was your preferred music genre, depending on what you told them they would send you new releases, old stock of poor sellers, posters, badges, most of the records were crap (a lot of crap was put on vinyl in the 7ts). However some of the early reissue Northern Soul records were sent, PYE DISCO DEMAND was a good one and at the time the DEMOS were very collectable amongst most of the DJs, as were the releases on the MCA LABEL. I can recall a top dealer of soul trying to find a copy of Lada Edmund jr, DEMO, While working as a roadie in a East Midlands working mans club, I was approach by a man from SELECTA DISC, who put me on the new label BLACK MAGIC, this was about 10 weeks before the first release, meanwhile at WIGAN the big sound being played, in fact one of the CASINO'S top records to pack the floor was getting huge, I was sent a promo about 1 month before it was released along with a cloth badge & other bits, 5 days to go, and I received 10 issues on the good looking BLACK MAGIC LABEL + a new demo of "blowing my mind to pieces" female vocal care of SIMON, THE SATURDAY NIGHT AT WIGAN I sold my 10 copy's for £2.50 each jumping the gun over RW,, RE:- Mick Smith he was one of the few non Wigan DJs to get RCA acetates, from I assume Richard or the Scotchman, Mick also received DEMOs from GOLDMINE KENT & so on, being the good man he is I still have many white label stuff, he got pleasure of giving them to UK collectors I think myself & top UK collector (2nd to Mick) ROY GELDER have complete sets, Apart from the 100 club anniversary 45, you don't see the free 45 any more, especially with the quality that ACE/KENT achieve, more often record companies give CDs away YIPPEEE!, that brings me onto CDs being played at venues... How I cringed at the posting that CDs were played at a rare soul night in Letchworth, the truth of the matter if I was in the venue my Skinhead Roots would have busted the machine there & then, I kid you not, I thought you all obeyed the rules, I really hope that practice will never be repeated, as i will be paying a long overdue visit, if you ain't got the records to play I will do you a free night + usual expense's I will be contacting my son Taffy for his verdict on such a breach Well I mean nuff said! DAVE K

HI ALL,,,,,,,, SAM DEES,,,,I USE TO SELL IT FOR £12 AT THE VIC WOLV ES, DAVE K

HI ALL with 2b hours to go there is a huge list of UK MOTOWN DEMOS on Ebay, well worth a look for that missing number, Expensive though! DAVE K

Hi All you tell me Mick how this can be explained, as I can't, it's a $5 tops I have ranted about it's inflated price for many years, I like the record, but it's not a $300 rare soul record, AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!???? DAVE K

HI ALL The CASINO opened it's doors in September 1973, at that time many brothers & sisters who went to the Wheel Torch, Up the Junction had dropped of the scene for some reason or another, marriage being the main reason for non attendance to soul events, in the summer part from the All night sessions at the VAVA Bolton, Leeds central, Carlton Club, that did not attract many people from out of a 25 mile radius. The number of people who did attend the Casino was about 500 although the number rose to capacity crowds those early days could have seen a demise of the soul scene, however as we all no it was the start of the NORTHERN SOUL SCENE for many people. DAVE K

Hi All.... I hope Ian makes a recovery from this sad event, & I wish him well, on behalf of all the lads from North Herts especially Mick Smith Big Clive & myself, we are thinking of you Ian DAVE K

HI ALL,,, BACK IN 73 most people got a copy of the reissue & many people have enjoyed the fuller sound plus the strings on it, I agree with Pete abut the 1st issue as RARE RARE, I'M SUPRISED HE ASKED JUST £100 SHOULD OF PUT IT UP FOR AUCTION? DAVE K

Hi All .... The Stankey 45, has always been a favourite one to dance to, John Abbey was a big fan of US country music, however this barn dancer, is not a rare record at all, and I was surprised when I saw how much it was selling for a few years ago, as it used to be a £2 record, the blank label makes it a collectable 45, But it would not improve it's inflated price, "how could it". DJ Little Scotty still plays it and packs the dance floor, as I say a great one to bop to? DAVE K

Hi All The 1st label bootleg was issued on OUT OF THE PAST label in 1973, one of my all time fave 45s DAVE K

HI ALL.... 1986/7 Would be about right. I have no idea of the value of the above Radio Play LPs or the one that I have, as this must be the topic has been raised as such, having not heard the above at a guess the value should start at £50 min, personally I prefer to trade records, rather than sell, it does not make sense to sell any of these LPs, & spend the money on petrol 20 fags a bottle of milk & a mars bar, does it, Also I am sure that he LPs mentioned are not alone as the 10 years of MOTOWN, I'm sure exists, as are LPs from the late 6s from the in sessions of Radio 1 & 2 back in the 7ts I had 2 C60 tapes BBC promotions DJ Tony Barak bum & Kenny Everat all tracks were Motown INNERVISIONS & WHATS GOING ON were on one copy with DJ comments, all I can say these records are unique and rare if you collect MOTOWN MORE INFO PLEASE DAVE K

HI ALL I Take your point, but it is sadly not how the market works or how it runs, for example who prices those worthless counterfeit records that flood the market if you sold them at £1.50 you would make a profit? £10 £12, or a special demo £20, it's the dealers that priced them in the 1st place, knowing that they mark up I always try to haggle the price down, in the 30 odd years of living in the West Midlands it is noticeable when walking around local markets that people do not haggle, in London you always haggle, the price you pay will always be different to what the dealers will pay every time, they haggle when they are buying, references like "it's not Mint, there's no demand & so on & if they know you need money the price gets lower & you wate longer as the cherry picking starts, sadly most of us over pay for every thing in our capitalist society, DAVE K

HI ALL, SPOT ON PETE, JOES NAME has been around for many years, going back to the 7ts, but it's in the early copies of RECORD COLLECTOR MAG the small ones, that his sales appeared alongside my old mate Mick Smith, I must admit that I did most of my buying from Mick (he only lived down the road from my house) but always followed his adverts, DEKES, & Ted Massey plus all those who sold BRITISH, (Chris Savorys article A to Z of UK soul labels was great), but he is a stalwart of the Northern Soul scene, PS got a copy of Garland Green - it rained for 40 days & 40 nights, for £10 fromJoe........................................................last week DAVE K

HI ALL.... Last weekend I took a few collectable LPs to the STABLES SOUL CLUB night (nr Wolves).. among them was a BBC LP "MOTOWN SING'S THE HITS" - VARIOUS ARTISTS - BBC RADIO PLAY MUSIC TAIR 8800 3, STEREO, Including 4TOPS, SUPREMES, SHORTY LONG, STEVIE WONDER, JIMMY RUFFIN, GLADYS KNIGHT & THE PIPS, Jnr WALKER & THE ALL STARS, DIANA ROSS. The sound quality of the LP is superb, as are all the BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICES LPs, as they were made for broadcast only, defiantly not for the public, until 10 years ago record dealers could not advertise these LPs, some got prosecuted, as they technically belong to the BBC, It is typical of me to keep things tucked away and only 3 dealers looked at the records, JM sold a similar copy to mine last year, for good money with no hustle, As far as I'm aware there are not many about and are collected for that fact as the rarest EMI LP on the TAMLA-MOTOWN LABEL issued for the public sold more, how many LPs is a mystery to me about 7 I think that BBC RP put out as shows, by the ways all tracks were from the time they were originally cut but slightly different than those issued, I hope this is of some helps, by the way I still have all the LPs that I went out with, DAVE K

Hi All..... This is a good thread, however I stand by my answer about the northern soul divide, I state that very few people from the south divide were aware of the famous clubs in the North, that's not to say there was not many people who collected soul records at the time, many of my small collection of 45s were played in them clubs, and even going to the Wheel in 68 69 a few times as I have said before I was not taken in by the rare soul bug as many records played that I remember were played at some time or another in the south of that map showing north south divide, for example in GREAT YARMOUTH in 69 at the cellar bar under the NEW BEACH, (I can't remember the DJ name but his disco set up was called BANNA SOUNDS) they played some excellent soul & reggae, along with pop, this was the way most people come to no the collectable records of the time, I can't remember many white people who attended WEST INDIAN BLUES but in 69 white kids got to no the records from these discos, the same thing seems to have happened in several county's north of Hertfordshire, Bedford was 17 miles from my home, went their many times but it was not until late 71 & into 72 when Mick Smith & Chris Gallard made me aware of the scene, up north. It amused me that Ady C went to the La DUCE, had a big fight in the place when I got whooshed by a cut throat razor on the stairs, yes it was a gay bar but them kids were good fighters and all were skinheads, BANG BANG LULU was a big juke box record , I state again the north started 20 yards from my front door on the Herts Beds border, DAVE K

Hi All, There are some basic rules to follow as a buyer of rare records, PETE has mentioned 2, the 1st thing is to remember is to find out some background of the seller is he/she a dealer (a person who makes a living from record sales, or a DJ, most DJ sell records, remember you should expect to pay up to 50% more for the record, dealers have to make a living, they have a good network of contacts & will buy & sell to each other before they list a record, this way they can move stock about, Then you have the record collector, many collectors want the latest big sound, often they do DJ spots, so they will often part with top sounds of yesterday, to get their big one, as such expect to pay just under the book price. next is the part timer, they attend gigs with a box of records, many a bargain has been found in a small box, but also many duff records also, so check the condition every time as record bars at soul doo's as dark & noisy places, also you may of had a couple of pints or other chemicals, so take care, years ago most of us took a box of records with us, as most people on the scene used to sell or swap as a part of their night out, sadly this has gone from the scene, some venues I have attended in the last few years have had no sales boxes or very few. this small list is just a potted guide, there is no real price guide as such, as PETE SAYS "IT'S OFTEN A MATTER OF DEMAND NOT HOW RARE THE RECORD IS" my own experience of selling records back in the 7ts & 8ts is I wish I had them today as the classic sounds have gone from £10 to £100s, all the above are my preferred ways to buy, as you can haggle with the seller, however most of you will buy from the internet, EBay is the most common, most dealers are good but lots of rip off merchants do their best to get your wonger, many over charge on post, again get to know them read feedback, the Soul source sales are very good but can be top price on sales, Finally avoid lists that say it was £300 on Manships, the site is a well established and has a reputation of quality, and also it would please me, Please add your comments to improve my comments, as this is just a potted view point from myself, DAVE K

HI ALL... SORRY I can't help you, but if you can hire one, it can't be very big plus you will have to find a really level plot to put it on, best bet is to hire stage blocks, as long as the dancers don't fall of the edge, and claim a fortune from you!. Years ago when I was working as a youth leader in Wolves, the HIP HOP & BREAK DANCE craze started 82, the kids asked if I could help, so I went on the scrounge for rolls of lino, all the kids had their own portable dance floor, the older lads were the B BOYS with GOLDIE as a member of the CREW. GOOD LUCK DAVE K!

HI ALL... PETE I agree with the posting on price, however the DEMO is rare, it has always been a mystery to me why certain DEMOS are more elusive than other, and some issues like TAMIKO JONES are impossible to find, as there is no major disaster that hit the GOLDEN WORLD, REVILOT GROOESVILE RIC-TIC storage warehouse's, like the fire at TK, flood that happened at SHRINE, BOATLOADS of Detroit records have been found, so why the very few have got so rare, nothing to do with sales, must be a reason DAVE K

Hi all this is a good question a bit like is London the same as it was 30 years ago, well it ain't. did you know that the Cockney speak, will be gone in 1 generation, in fact the there will be no cockneys in 20 years fact, here's a fact for you to be a true Cockney you have mum dad & yourself all born within the sounds of Bow Bells, you all no that I'm sure, did you know that people from West Ham are not Cockneys? & people from Chelsea are? look yourself on a map you will note the church with the Bow Bells has been long gone, and the church in Bow has no bells, even if it had it's the wrong church. The famous mix of Yiddish Romany Irish & criminal talk out the side of the mouth with a whisper, using rimming slang to fool the police that makes the Cockney speak, has already impacted the under 5 year olds in certain areas of the capital, we are all aware of the new talk that started in London some 15 years ago made up from the London accent mingled with patter from Jamaica Australia & gangster talk from the Afro- America ghettos, IN IT! In the West Midlands the Black Country language is going the same way as London, this mean that in a few years time the North South divide will not be the Watford Gap, as it stands today the new accent we call London Country has reached just south of Coventry & most of Peterborough speak it , to my ears Stafford sounds northern rather than midland as does Nottingham "me ducks" getting back to this thread my mother was born in Shepard's Bush area of London, she had very right wing views that existed in the Irish community of working class West London in the pre war years, all black people were known as Darkies the North started at the top end of exit out of London on the A5, like many Londoners we she moved to the new towns after the war, places like Harlow Stevenage consisted of 80% Londoners, she moved to Letchworth Garden City. Coming from a broken home as I did I too control of my life at the age of 8 years, not going to school stealing and being anti social by the time I was 12 after stabbing a teacher I was moved to different kids homes in the North, this being so the North started when I left my home town, Years later going to places like the Twisted Wheel really meant you were going north, trust me when I say you did not hear Northern soul in the South unless it was put on by people who went north, The Birds nest is the only true club when the Torch was running and in Hitchin Mick Smith Billy Mac & myself played Rare Soul in the Dive bar, at that time even Bedford was north as was Leighton Buzzard I felt it was more north than south in the Black Horse & Bletsoe. & that is where the north starts if you are into Rare Northern Soul IN IT THOE!...... DAVE K has spoken!

THE MODERN REDCAPS 45, IS A CLASS SOUND THAT I RECOMEND STRONGLY, WELL WORTH THE ASKING PRICE, & A GOOD ONE TO PUT IN A DJ SET, DAVE K