Ady Croasdell

Blimey, I remember that story about the bath too, it could have been me if I hadn't heard and learned.

I think Jumbo and a few from Harboro were there, thanks for sorting that. Ady

It was a generalisation, I'm sure some were dubs

That's one for Tony, President/Joe Boy certainly had a huge cache of tapes and many would be from masters though it was probably a bit random then as sound quality wasn't as paramount or well understood as it is now.

Hi Mike, I'm told by a good friend that it was actually somebody that was called Phil Holt's birthday party that got raided, though I thought it was a club in the Wakefield area, certainly not Leeds. Ady

Tony Rounce told me that most Stateside releases were dubbed from disc, whereas most London were from tape. Ace have accessed many of those London tapes which often the label owners don't have. I met a UK mastering engineer who was present when the UK head of CBS brought in a well played copy of Scott McKenzie 'If You're Going To San Francisco' and said it was going to be a smash and he should get it pressed up. When asked when the master would arrive he was told to do it from disc and that was when cleaning up disc technology was not available. Subsequent CD releases often used that crap dub.

As Bob pointed out what full time post-production studio engineers with state of the art technology, can do with a dub is a long way above anything possible on a home PC set-up.

Ace/Kent has a very good reputation for using masters wherever possible and spending a lot of time and money through our own studios to make it as good as possible. There are inevitably the odd dub on a CD, but a Kent dub would sound hugely different to some other companies dubs because of the work put into it so it is probably best to work out your own preferences for whichever labels you purchase.

When it comes to CDs, I would guess Ace/Kent would be 95% tape since we started.

Arctic would have been safe at Jamie I think, dunno about TK. Some companies did lose the lot but not too many and even if they did there are often copies to be found through producers, European licensees or other sources.

The earlier Kent singles were probably about 50/50 dubs and master tapes as we weren't as good at getting the (masters, particularly for singles for some reason). By the 90s we would be up to 90% from masters and nowadays 95% +. I think all the CITY singles are from masters as virtually all were previously unreleased. I think the Goldmine ones would be all dubs apart from the previously unissued ones as they did not like using masters if there was vinyl to dub from for economy and simplicity.

Not that I know of, the soul scene wants a lot of different styles and probably just as well as the one you describe, that I love, just couldn't keep it going.

I've mentioned this before, butI was the first to see his collection of forgeries when he met me in the YMCA in LA after a copy of Broadway Sissy. He offered me several copies of the lookalikes that were all prisitine and when I checked they were obviously boots, so I wasn't interested. I had 5 copies of Broadway Sissy though (I forgot to tell him that) so I think he gave me a good handful of all the titles once he realised he hadn't been fooled. The point of re-telling this is that I told a UK collector to put the word about that they were boots but people still bought them as they were cheap and they wanted to believe they were real. When they arrived everybody was pissed off but they were buying of Soussain and had been warned so not many grounds for complaint really.

John, kindly put me in touch with Lou and the Way Out geezers, I spent an odd day with them. I'll follow it up. Ady

Andy says LaRue is a Ramitary song from the same time as Shrine was in operation. It is highly likely to have been an independent production job for Decca who cut it in NYC.

I've an unreleased track by them where they sound like the Mike Sammes singers; good in its own right

I didn't I'd love to see it in the flesh, as it were. Ady

Same version?

Do we know when the Smith Brothers was or has that been stated already?

There, I changed the thread title. It's my ball and you lot can't play. Fancy not knowing the difference between Old Soul and old soul; some people

Pesky Gee were primarily a soul act when I saw them John. Was it them or Ferris Wheel who had two of the fittest birds in the world ever? It's all very interesting but the thread was meant to be about Old Soul clubs later to be Northern Soul clubs, not old soul clubs!

W C Stone was Walter Curry Stone. I seem to remember he found Lee a handful!

:DIt's amazing how booting just wiped the price of a record out. I was sleeping overnight on Greyhound buses to save hotel costs and living on a diet of milk, bread and bananas so that I could spend all my money (n the world) on records. It was handy Ian told me before I bought 'em. Gillian McKeith would have been intrigued with my end product.

Thanks Dave, that'll be spiffing. Ady

Tell me about it. I was in Buckley's in Nashville just about to buy 100 copies when Clarkie told me it had been booted.