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Dee Dee Sharp - Deep Dark Secret Cameo c-335... Not the cleanest of copies hence price. It has some label wear but free of writing. Vinyl has some visible light scratches and a couple of bubble marks, none really affect play. You can hear some light crackle at the very start and then the odd pop throughout other than that it plays strong. - £70.00 Jackie Follett - I Am What I Am/ Don't Care To - Verve Forecast Demo M- Nice Near Mint copy - £60.00 The Fenways - The Fight - Blue Cat Ex. great value record needs reactivating DJ's - £20.00 Betty La Vette - I'm Holding On - Big Wheel Ex Just one tiny edge bump on run in (see photo) but does not affect play at all - £70.00 Fabulous Peps - With These Eyes - Wheelsville (rarer label) Visually would have to describe this as VG/ VG - some visible light scratches, however plays a really strong VG+ with out scratches seriously affecting play, labels in tact with slight ring wear and small writing on label (thanks Pat) - £60.00 Jeanette Williams - Somethings Got a Hold On Me - Back Beat Demo (original) VG+ £240 Skip Jackson - I'm on to You Girl/ Promise That You'll Wait - Beautiful NM copy of this much in demand double sider! a lot of copies of this seem to have label damage or fade. This one has close to pristine labels as possible. Vinyl is M- on "On To You" side, "Promise" side has the merest tiny paper scuff which is barely noticeable under full light and does not affect play at all, other than that it is M- or if you were being hypercritical grade it as EX+ Any marks that may show on photos are reflections not blemishes on record... Price £350 Payment via Paypal Please Post £3.50 1st class signed for or £10 signed, tracked and insured

Dee Dee Sharp - Deep Dark Secret Cameo c-335... Not the cleanest of copies hence price. It has some label wear but free of writing. Vinyl has some visible light scratches and a couple of bubble marks, none really affect play. You can hear some light crackle at the very start and then the odd pop throughout other than that it plays strong. Happy to supply visual & sound clip for anyone interested - £80.00 Carl Burnett & The Hustlers - Jerk Baby Jerk - Caramax M- Lovely Near Mint copy, very underrated tune - £70.00 SOLD! Jackie Follett - I Am What I Am/ Don't Care To - Verve Forecast Demo M- Nice Near Mint copy - £70.00 The Fenways - The Fight - Blue Cat Ex. great value record needs reactivating DJ's - £20.00 Ike & Tina Turner - Can't Chance A Break Up - Sue VG Not the cleanest of copies (hence price) but plays strong. Some visible light scratches. Writing and slight ring wear to label. Happy to supply visual & sound clip for anyone interested - £20.00 SOLD! Payment Via Paypal. Prices include post to UK First Class Recorded.

Beautiful NM copy of this much in demand double sider! a lot of copies of this seem to have label damage or fade. This one has close to pristine labels as possible. Vinyl is M- on "On To You" side, "Promise" side has the merest tiny paper scuff which is barely noticeable under full light and does not affect play at all, other than that it is M- or if you were being hypercritical grade it as. EX+ Any marks that may show on photos are reflections not blemishes on record...Price of £350 via Paypal...includes P&P Special Recorded & Fully Insured Delivery

Last of today's bargains! Jeanette Williams - Somethings's Got A Hold On Me/ Longing For Your Love - Back Beat Demo VG+ £240 As a discount will include Special Delivery Recorded & Insured Post in price, as last of batch left Payment via Paypal

Four quality classics/ oldies Jeanette Williams - Somethings's Got A Hold On Me/ Longing For Your Love - Back Beat Demo - VG+ £240 Bobby Womack - What Is This/ I Wonder - Keymen - EX £60 Len Jewell - Bettin On Love/ Paint Me - Teri De - EX £60 SOLD! Flairs - You Got To Steal It/ Where You Live - Rap - £80 Payment via Paypal P&P £3.50 Standard First Class or Special Recorded & Insured £7.00 Thanks For Looking!

Fabulous Peps - With These Eyes - Wheelsville (rarer label) Visually would have to describe this as VG/ VG - some visible light scratches, however plays a really strong VG+ with out scratches seriously affecting play, labels in tact with slight ring wear and small writing on label (thanks Pat) - £80.00 Betty La Vette - I'm Holding On - Big Wheel Ex Just one tiny edge bump on run in (see photo) but does not affect play at all - £80.00 Devotions - Same Old Sweet Lovin/ Devils Gotten Into My Baby- Tri Sound (Rarer Gold Label) Ex slight wear to label on one side (see photo) Great double sider! - £40.00 Payment via paypal please P&P £3.00 standard first class or £7.00 Special Recorded & Insured Thanks for looking

Well used but not abused. J. B. Troy - Live On/ I'm Really Thankful...Rarely listed! Two great sides uptempo dancer & deep soul. Condition Live On side VG - Really Thankful visually G+ but plays VG- Some wear to labels as can be seen but no rips or writing, both sides play through fine (no skips or sticks) the odd crackle & pop but no overall background noise £150.00 SOLD! Melba Moore - Does Love Believe In Me/ Don't Cry Sing Along With The Music Ex clean labels both sides...two fantastic sides... £70.00 The Marvellos - Somethings Burning/ We Go Together VG Just a few visible light scratches plays through strong just the very odd crackle & pop. Some slight wear to labels, just the smallest of mark on one side (see photo) no writing or rips...£70.00 The Soul Shakers - I'm Getting Weaker/ It's Love VG close to VG+ No visible scratches just light scuffs not affecting play. Labels very light wear only and just one small pen mark on both sides...£90.00...SOLD Payment Paypal, P & P £6. Recorded. Please message for details...thanks for looking

Tamala Lewis - You Won't Say Nothing - Destiny Demo Ex £15 Ernie Andrews - Fine Young Girl - Capitol Demo Nm £25 Ann Sexton - You've Been Gone Too Long BW/ Little Richie - Just Another Heartache & Bob Wilson - Suzy's Serenade - Inferno Ex £20 Fidels - Try a Little Harder - Jayboy (Boy 69) Sticker mark on label looks Vg + but plays Ex £15 Creation - I Got The Fever BW/ Promised Land - Cheyenne (old skool instrumental) looks Vg but plays Ex £10 TAKE ALL FIVE FOR £80 INC. POSTAGE!! Payment Paypal. Postage UK £3 First Class £5 Recorded

Have to politely disagree with a lot of that, music is music! Beats, rhythms, chord structures etc. haven't really changed much in 60 years! The way it is presented may have with the advent of electronica. Listen to any stuff recorded by current artists like Ed Sheeran (not that many people on here will going by some of the replies) and nothing much has changed at all...whether people think he is a 'ginger prick' or not is irrelevant he sells millions to people all over the world...I quite like some of his stuff

Sorry if this is confusing it's not meant to be. I am just asking people to think 'out of the box' for a moment! Ok for instance... George Gershwin wrote 'Summertime' in 1933 it was actually for a play called Porgy & Bess. However it went on to be covered by countless artists over the years and still is today even 'Billy Stewart' did a 'pepped up version' in the 60s, point being it is classed as an 'iconic' song now..Whether people like it or not is irrelevant..I am not asking for opinions on that. Let's take the example I opened with 'Linda Jones - I Just Can't Live My Life' When George Kerr penned it, do people honestly think he wrote it with us in mind? A bunch of a few thousand people predominately in the UK that might share a few hundred second hand copies of it around, with other like minded people at some point hopefully? Answer most definitely is NO! Like all songwriters he was hoping for great things for it, whether Linda Jones or anyone else for that matter recorded it. In my opinion this song had the qualities to do what the authors, performers and record publishers (Warner Brothers) hoped for.. major success. I don't know why it didn't achieve it and I am sure they were all disappointed as well. So let's reset the thread and ask if you have any similar nominee's ? forget who may have recorded it then or now or whether you personally like it, that is irrelevant..I personally don't like 'Hey Jude' by the Beatles but it doesn't detract from the fact that it is an iconic tune

Not sure whether this has been done before or in this way? I know most of us view the records from a totally different perspective as they fall into our Northern Soul world. However most of the records that were cut by artists were an attempt to gain chart or commercial success, they certainly would never have envisaged them being classed in the future as a Northern Soul record. We often say about some records "can't understand why this never got anywhere" and whilst it is true some of that was down to poor promotion or not getting picked up on radio for airplay. It is also true that some were probably deemed as not very good! We embrace them all and have formed our own opinions. As we are now all older (well most off us) and obviously music lovers: I thought it would be interesting to take an objective and honest view. Some records are classed as iconic by artists like The Beatles for instance, not my cup of tea but I can appreciate why, great arrangements lyrics etc. My question is: given better exposure what records that we class as Northern Soul would you nominate to have gone on to gain wider acclaim or respect and why? I will start the ball rolling: Linda Jones 'I just can't live my life' fantastic musical arrangement, haunting vocals superb lyrics. If Adele was to slow it down to a ballad today and release it. I bet it would sell! over to you!

Russ some interesting points but would have to take issue with the amount of young people these days 'doing it our way' For me i am thinking 10 - 20 years ahead maybe. Not respecting or giving any credence to the download issue is simply like trying to stop the tide coming in. I think we should at least address it and help pass on the music and ethos that suits a future generation. I agree little point in trying to start a download only event now it wouldn't matter! However i would add that a lot Nights held up and down the country feature mainly well known classics, played on original and bootleg format. I think this is actually helping to support a bootleg industry, just look on ebay. Northern Soul classics on original vinyl are also going through the roof as DJs are stumbling over their self or staying up all night to buy, just to play out at similar local events. Most of these songs are available on legal downloads through i tunes and similar, they are good quality and cost around 80 pence with a percentage of that technically going to artists through publishing companies. I dare bet that many that attend these nights really are just interested in hearing familiar oldies which is cool, so this would be a good opportunity to introduce legal downloads. The trade off being: it might regulate bootleggers and keep the price of classic originals sensible. Is there really anything to prove or a good reason that classics which have been heard a thousand times before be played on any form of vinyl today at these style of events? I do think these nights will also come to a natural end as our generation get older. Reference trying to preserve a scene where the music is more 'cutting edge' if you like. Of course this will always be lead by vinyl and there should and always be a strong element of it. However there is also a lot of this stuff available on legal download as well. I wouldn't see a scene like this involving one format over the other. It would be very simple to cater for playing of both formats with both complimenting each other, in fact you could argue it might make people try harder to find previously unheard stuff on vinyl. But by catering for both it doesn't then put of younger people who are finding the music via other means and among these I am sure there would be some very imaginative DJs for the future who will do it their way! atb Jem

Reference 'Bill Bush' I have heard a recent bootleg of this that sounds absolutely awful! far to much bass which effectively muffles it! however the legal download available on i tunes for 0.79p sounds great...check it out

Think you have a point there, however I wouldn't see it so literally as that. In fairness not every younger person even if they are interested in the music would feel comfortable spending an evening in a room full of on average 50+ year old people. I know I wouldn't have done when I was say 18. I think the best we can do as arguably 'collective current custodians' of the music is to make sure we do our best to pass it on in a respectful way and one that they can relate to. That's one of the reasons I would encourage more Northern Soul 'legal' downloads to be available and not give any of them a hard time over it. I have three Sons 16, 20 & 27 still living at home. They all like their music, my eldest loves Northern and probably knows more about Motown than i do particularly the rarer unissued stuff. Despite there being literally thousands of records kicking around the house, you can probably guess their first port of call for music, sure they respect records and sometimes my eldest will play the odd one at home, but we are kidding ourselves if we think that they will ever 'get' record collecting as we do or did. So let's put the music where they are likely to look and you never know they might find it! and then it will be their idea and cool again 'daddy o'...right on! btw great thread Len and some very good posts from many on here, it's good to see a potentially contentious issue being debated well!

I think a good outcome for the future would be O.V.O./ L.D. (legal download) venues ..ha ha or Len Dopson as it's his fault .... seriously, still keep the decks in for stuff that isn't available on legal download or is an interesting vinyl discovery and the tried and trusted classics etc. could be played from mp3, people could then also play some of the unissued tracks that only exist on file format, saving the bother of getting it put on a carver and as a bonus it would also curb the illegal vinyl bootleggers. Both formats have a future then and i really feel it would enrich a night. How frustrating is it as a DJ, when someone requests a reasonably obvious track and 'genuinely' you have left it a home? For those that have the where with all and desire to track down seldom or never heard records there should always be a place, as I am sure we ain't heard it all yet!

Another side to this: If we take the premise that Northern Soul records are getting rarer to acquire for various reasons, surely it is a good thing to get plenty of licensed decent copies on files for preservation purposes. I know plenty of bigger label publishing companies hold original master tapes etc. but how long for? and it would be interesting to know if any original master tapes still exist at all for some of the more obscure label stuff, this being the case essentially the only original hard copy recordings would be the records! I may be wide of the mark here so would welcome the view of anyone who has real inside or professional knowledge about this ?

Must of been a crap big system or illegally downloaded or home made mp3 files. I DJ for a living weddings and the like every weekend and work off mp3/ mp4a played on a system that pushes at least 1500 watts per channel. All my files are brought legally through i tunes and similar as I need 100% reliability and the quality is second to none, plus for my job it's the only format modern chart stuff is available. I also own a few thousand Northern Soul original issue records and have to say the legally made files in a lot of cases nowadays are better than the record. Ha ha of course you know what will happen in the future: They will be debating on Soul Source 'original downloads v illegal downloads debate over and over again arghhhh

What i think is a good thing: is that people who are relatively new to the music young or old can search out tunes to there hearts content and download what they like quite cheaply or just listen. Their lack of knowledge is a good thing! they have no prejudice as to whether it is rare, was or is considered naff or not, or how much it is worth, quite simply their decision is based on personal taste, in short a great leveler for the merits of the recording. I personally would have more respect for someone who builds a collection of mp3/mp4 files downloaded legally than someone who is stupid and maybe vain enough to line the pockets of 'vinyl bootleggers' and it is cheaper, average bootleg £10 average download 0.99p plus if licensing rights still apply however small it is the artist may end up with something instead of nothing. I think the writing is on the wall i.m.o. with in demand vinyl getting rarer and more expensive and staying in peoples collections for posterity it can only go one way. Hail the download I say and give the music back to the people, it's probably not going to happen yet but believe me folks it is coming and good luck to whoever is brave enough to start the ball rolling. It's a bit like the housing situation, a large majority of people over a certain age own their property, can afford to live in it and it is generally going up in value, if your just starting out as a younger person trying to buy, the drawbridge has been well and truly pulled up in most cases. Incidentally I know the girl Len is on about. In her current top Northern Soul downloads on her i phone are Micky Lee Lane Hey Solenay, Cliff Nobles My Love is Getting Stronger, Bill Cosby Little Ole Man Uptight and Dave Charles I Ain't Gonna Cry No More.

Not an easy answer to any of this, can argue about 'apprenticeships' and rights and wrongs! but really it could be down to opportunity and market forces if you like? Back in the 70s/80s was definitely not as much on and if you wanted to hear 'Northern Soul' other than tape swaps and/or buying records blind you had to go! Obtaining disco gear back then was relatively an 'arm and leg' to buy and most venues did not want to know about Northern Soul 'pufters' with the drug thing and why would they bother! Most Working Men's Clubs and the like were packed at the weekends any way. Fast forward to today most people interested in the music older, maybe no or little mortgage more leisure time, almost any Northern Soul tune known or not so well known available to hear and buy in the format of your choice with the click of a mouse! Disco Gear relatively cheap today and nearly every Club Pub up and down the country trying to stave off closure by putting on anything to swell the coffers. Not saying this is the definitive answer to the question but understanding these facts goes a way to explaining. One thing i would add, with today's media it can be easy to portray an event as being the next big thing etc. but in reality i bet as many nights fail and pack up as start up these days. Go where your Soul takes you folks!

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Have sent you PM, so they are gone now folks!

Fair play Dave tongue out of cheek now

Hi I have two spare tickets for 'Blackburn All Nighter' going free! if any body would like them pm me your address and i will post them off to you.