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Too true.... even the "stateside" sellers that normally don't sell NS are "quoting" the JM guide.... can't knock them for their "homework" though.... like said earlier, the guide has become a "that's what I want for it" opinion of those sellers "over there" that haven't normally got a clue.... Like Pete Smith said earlier.... the latest guide could be the "death nell" of getting the "occasional bargain" of the "bay".... Soul content related to eBay.... Vanguards, "good times bad times".... more bad these days, IMO, than in the past.... must be a positive for the the "UK set sale" listers/producers who are atleast more "clued in"....

Apparently in "2nd" guide at £500 for "blue" label and £1000 for "white one.... In "3rd" at £650 for "blue" and still "1000 for "white"...the 650 is in "bold" so obviously a recent "auction" price.... Reflected .... I think not ....

True comments mate... and that's what a "guide" should be used for.... a guide.... no matter who "produces" it.... Not sure about the "10,000" customers bit or the "30,000" collectors bit though that is "written".... "Salemanship" is one long word that comes to mind.... think "oh f***" I'd better not miss out on these "cheapies"....

Not a chance in hell....

Never a truer comment said.... even by John Gary Williams....

If you can get a "decent" copy of Ringleaders for the £150 you stick by these days then I'll drop me "kegs" and run around shouting "what the f*** you like" for as "long as you like" I got mine about 3 years ago, after quite a few (probably 10+) years "watching" out for it on a decent copy at a decent price.... paid about £175 and "skipped" around the room when it came.... our lass thought I was on "drugs".... my mate bought one of JM about 4-5yrs ago for £100 and "ribbed me stupid".... BUT it was "shagged".... you could barely see the "yellow" label let alone "ought else written" on it.... But that's not the point.... "the" point is.... what "now" gets put down as a "value" or "worth" of a 45.... No offence meant by this reply....

Previous post answered it really.... but in a nutshell it appears that on items that have gone through his auctions they are "valued" at that price rather than any other.... all indicated by being in bold font.... There are others that appear to have increased in "value", obviously in JM's opinion.... Daft money written for some in both cases IMO....

Not moaning mate just making an observation.... new guide can make a collection appear to improve in value.... BUT I wouldn't base the "worth" of my collection on some of the current "values" within the new guide.... Ringleaders in at £500 (as per his last auction sale) .... still only £200-250 realistically.... not that I'd sell it anyway.... Recently got a vg++/mint- Falcons "Love Look In Her Eyes" on blue Big Wheel for £100.... always thought it was about £150 for blue and £120 for green so was well chuffed.... in guide at £250 for blue and £200 for green but can't see where the extra £100 in value comes from :o ....

Must have one of your sales lists Hippo

No, no.... credit where due.... the description on these does say summat like "never issued" and "repro" somewhere within it I seem to recall....

Too true.... but not all 199 Hippo.... surely.... put a couple or three out over the year to cover all the "time and effort" put into "finding" the rarity as well....

Interesting topic this re dodgy records.... although got away from the topic title of "realistic values" With today's technology, knowhow and access to pressing plants.... and of course JM's guide that "shows" what a "record" can fetch.... who knows .... Del Lark's demos turning up.... not sure I'd bet against it either....

Never bought nothing of the "p...." so have no idea if other stuff real or not.... just avoid buying to make sure.... even when sellers offer "full refund" I don't take that as an assurance....

Cleverer.... probably.... if you mean not "flooding" them all out together week after week.... Oxford Nights seller.... mmmm.... not sure about this one.... can't make my mind up.... perhaps it's the "peddler" part of the ID that casts doubt in my mind.... Seem to recall he also "off loaded" a number of Singing Swinging Counts on Label.... had gold writing and not silver though....

Yes he did sell the Four Voices and Johnny Watson.... I seen him sell some of his stuff on Styrene.... funnily enough these are usually VG or VG+ not mint minus.... and labels show wear.... mmmm.... Why indeed.... can only assume people don't realise he lists the same "rarity" over a period on months....

They are the same seller.... two ID's.... mixes his sales between the two....

Was sure it began with a C after Chalky's post of Catano.... but now.... mmmm.... C or G.... could be Gattino....

Did this not also get booted on Fat Fish and Vault....????.... making 3 boots going about.... If so how many other records have more than one boot....????....

Din't have that Pete.... BUT do re-call reading it somewhere.... KTF?

Seem to remember reading "your story" on this record somewhere else Pete.... still interesting to re-read it though.... Never say never, eh?.... and good things come to those who wait

Has it at £400 for a DJ.... and, in bold, £404 for an issue.... now I know there's the old addage "a record is only worth what a buyer will buy for", etc., but can't get my head around bidding above £150, if really want it, let alone typing £404 into a PC screen.... Seem to remember not too long ago when the average set sale price was between £75-100.... and they say eBay has gone mad....

That sounds about right Chalkster.... deffinately begins with a C though....

Clifton Hall.... now there was a niter ahead of its time.... Searling, Rushbrooke, Poke et al.... memories.... As "upfront" then, if not more, than most places....

Totally agree with you Pete.... ordered one for my mate over internet cause he don't have a card.... it's come this morning so opened to make sure OK Been browsing through and the listing of the "selling price" based on his auctions is totally unnecessary IMO.... just caught sight of the Steinways "price".... f*** me

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