El Corol

Who played this originally? I've always assumed it was a Wigan play from before my time? But which DJ broke it? Truly awful in my opinion and I have a high tolerance for (white) pop records, though not necessarily played at soul nights. Interested in the memories of those around in the days this was played.

It certainly didn't go "Pete Tong" for Pete Tong!

Thats the b side of "I Believe .........." on the Prophesy release. Mums release had a different b side and the Urban release different b side again (I think all tracks were bought together on the Urban 12" , but could be wrong?)

Interesting, who put that together? Always remember chatting with an older lad at work once when I was about 18 and I mentioned going to Wigan. He then told me how he and his mates used to go to the Catacoombs have a Riker delight and nick a car to get home all very casual like. By the time I knew him he had no interest whatsever which was a bit strange as I was full of enthusiasm and he wasn't interested. Think it was more of just a good night out than a real love of the music. Actually thats reminds me of another story of being on a works night out and him and me not being let ino a club. He then decided that wasn't on so libererated a piece of scaffolding pole from a nearby building site and went back to the club and smashed it through the door! Next hour spent running and dodging police cars! Back on topic: Do you think we may have a future where there are virtual reality mock ups of all the big clubs and then we can strap on our head sets in our front rooms and visit any club we want from the comfort of our own home, couple of hours inthe Torch, then off to the Mecca and then onto Casino then upstairs to bed or back to my sheltered accomadation probably by then.

With respect Ian, but it seems you basically invented the whole Stars on 45 phenomena, thanks for that! :-)

Those sound like great days, I'd love to have been around in the early times these sounds were first being played.

On reading that back, sorry about the impact of Tony's death on you........I sometimes speak/write without thinking. Rob

Winnie, go say three "Hail Mary's" burn any baggies you might posess, move Judy Street (if you own it)out of your "Soul box" into your "Damn fine pop box" and get on with your life. Father el corol

I feel sorry for you guys out there in California, struggling to find records, try coming to Bilston market or Measham car boot on a rainy Sunday morning! :-)

Ever noticed how it the cheapest records always seem to have the higher shipping costs? Maybe its a coincidence. My sense is not many dealers look at the various options open to them. I once contacted a dealer and asked if they could ship it cheaper and they responded by saying if "I" can find a cheaper option then they'd ship it that way and and at that price, like I'm gonna spend time researching USA postal services on their behalf. If it was Al Williams for $25 maybe, but not an average record. As I mentioned on another thread one dealer told me after winning a record in auction that what they thought should happen is that "we" should get insurance and tracking by me paying another $10 on top of the already $12 shipping cost. So they get peace of mind I don't rip them off by claiming non delivery (they can claim insurance) that I have paid for. As I explained if I wanted to pay extra shipping and import duty I'd buy from a dealer over here or in EU of which at least 4 copies were for sale on Discogs. Interestingly enough the dealer sent the 45 at the cheaper delivery price with no problems, but they now have another copy of the same 45 up for sale (I wonder how many they have found?) At a set sale of $230 despite being able to pay less for that on Soul Source recentley. $230 is the same average selling price on Discogs, so despite me pointing out that its easier to buy from the UK or Europe at that price they still have gone on and are trying to achieve that sort of price despite the risk of import duty and high postage costs, pretty much sums up USA ebay except for the odd exception you have to work hard for or are lucky with.

Will some DJ just get behind The Happy Cats - Destroy That Boy (in my opinion the superior version over the unknown artist copy) as I've been stockpiling these for ages and now have at least 85 copies to shift, and I can claim its an original issue, or can I?

As Diana said "I'm still waiting".

Be careful of any old men who ask you if you want to go back to their house to look at their "7 inches"! Unless of course thats your bag in which case fill ya boots (just don't buy any boots, which is of course ironic in a way as I doubt there aren't very many on here who don't own a boot of some sort)

Ands it Happy Birthday from Bazza

PM me you email and give me about ten minutes and I'll try to get one to you.

Hi, after: Jerry Butler - I Was Wrong - Abner Marv Johnson - Keep Tellin Yourself - UA No trasher's thanks Please PM.

Good chance it may have been played at Wigan in the last year or so. It was definately played a lot at Rotheram Clifton Hall but can't remember if it was Searling or another DJ, anyone remember?

Also as you say these are "my" (your) definitions not necessarily everyone else's.

I have accepted it, just don't feel the need to be over pedantic about . Change isn't always better.

Wiggy are you basing your observations on the similarity in the music or more the shirts they are wearing? :-)

We used to use the term "pressing" for both legal and illegal reissues. Bootleg was used to be more specific when obviously illegal, but pressing was a more umbrella term for anything we knew wasn't the original. It seemed to work ok back then!

Thats a very good point!

Which Jimmy Ruffin song are you saying it isn't, are you referring to Hold On To My Love?

Not just cheap records but also stuff in the 75 to 100 dollar range plus. Recentley picked up a record from the States for $75, dealer was reluctant to under declare and wanted me to pay another $11 on top of the already $12 shipping cost so it was insured. If i have to pay $20 + for shipping and import duty then I might as well pay for a copy from a UK or European dealer (of which there were four for sale on Discogs) Same goes for cheap ($1 to $15 records) unless theres a mega bargain in there I might as well buy from the UK as Ernie said due to postal prices. USA shipping prices mainly to blame, but also USA dealers thinking they can get Manship prices with expensive shipping and import duty costs. People will now only pay if the item is hard to get or they are stupid. USA dealers under estimate the amount of soul records already over here in UK and Europe. I used to use US ebay all the time, now I hardly ever use it. I want a good deal from the USA or a really tough find. Good but cheap records I can buy over here with no hassle. This is not meant as a moan but as genuine feedback from someone who has gone from a regular USA buyer to a sporadic one.

Must admit I've always wondered about whether the vocals to this (and Spaceland) were recorded in the 70s. May be due to the way the LP sounds, just doesn't sound 60s, even for a 70s press (if that makes sense).