Simon T

Usually like already stated white demos are rarer but not always...take RCA, issues often the more sought after and often rarer of the two. I think it is far to say that the big labels where the (Northern) WDs are rare, the issues are rarer e.g. RCA, Columbia

It's available on the Soul Spectrum Volume II CD / L.P., track 9

Netspeaky do you have any more info on this record? Apart from being one-sided have you noticed that the type set of "Smoke Records" is different than the blue issues (is it the same as the Herbs on the yellow label issues?) and the fact that the time of the record is 7 second less!

Dave Don't start Chav spotting, the obsesion will take over from your Northern addiction! I'm currently ocuppied with with the tightly tied back hair on the lasse,s apparently it is known as the "council estate face lift"!!

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Evidently not in my home town of Boston, as you don't know what one is! Try here: www.chavscum.co.uk

While I've got the scanner working, here's some 60's 'issue' only tracks, so don't go bidding on those bargain demos! As FrankM said, the intrumental track was often used as a "filler" for the release, as in the case of The Patrick Bradley, I think?

70's label scans

WDs (Ducky & G'S) are WDs for the simple reasons that the label is cheaper, quicker and easier to produce than a multi-coloured one, in the early to mid sixties. At this stage the record is only being produced in small numbers to promote / demonstrate / audition the song usually by giving them to DJs to play on the radio stations. Therefore, it is all expenditure, and saving a couple of cents per unit is worth the while. If it was a success the record would be issued, and probably produced in runs of 500 plus, in the label's standard coloured format. Hence the reason why sometimes, some demos are rarer and more expensive There are sometimes a "test press" of a record (Shufflers) kicking around which is one or two discs pressed just to check that the lacquer is OK However, with the big successful labels like RCA, Columbia, I think they just automatically ran off a load of demos and issues in anticipation of a hit! Those that weren't became our "Northern Soul" and in these cases, the issues seem to be "rarer" than the demos (Jimmy Fraser). This could be because the demos had been distributed more widely before the plug was pulled on the song, and the issues just sat in a warehouse before being destroyed to make some more room. If you lift up you box of records and see how heavy 300 records are, you realise why it was cheaper to send a real-to-real tape or lacquer to LA, NY, etc, rather than press the records up in say, Detroit and mail them out. Hence you may find different label designs (Jimmy Ruffin) and styrene on the West coast, vinyl on the East, but not exclusively. In the 60's they seemed to like to have two tracks on a disc, I suppose that if the DJ/public didn't like the 'plug' side they might like the other! If they didn't have two songs, you might find the WD is either one sided, or has a "filler" on the B - check out Stanley Mitchell's 'Get it'! Although LPs were being produced from the mid 60's in stereo, you don't really see stereo singles until to early 70's. I presume radio stations had better equipment and those broadcasting in FM could broadcast in stereo, but the choice between mono and stereo had to be still available. It is interesting that some companies (Atlantic) started to distinguish between the sides by putting a coloured label on the stereo side leaving the mono side a traditional white so as not to confuse the older DJs! This has also led to the rarity of some 70's sounds as they are only available on the issue as the non-plug side as all those buying Ujima demo's have found out the hard way! As for differences between demo and issued track, I don't think there are any if they've got the same catalogue number as they'll be pressed of the same lacquer. There a few records that where there are two demo's of different takes of the track, but only one went on to be issued e.g. Carl Burnette. Also, I think there may be a few spoken intros (on one side of the demo) missing from the issues, thank god!

It was, 'Little' somebody. Will grab the Cds tonight and post the track tomorrow. link

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Does anybody have any info on a record by Little Al and the Maxidynes(?) called Laugh, Now Boy on Shell (?) thanks

Neil, is this you?

I just put onto to DVD to backup as I'm legally intitled to do, I think? I could 'lend' it to you indefinatley, as you end up 'losing' it anyway! In recompense you could send me a CD (or tape) of sounds to listen to as I won't be watching the DVD! :-)

I'm pretty sure the male vocal to Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah is uncredited. I was given the disc and asked to try and clean it up (they didn't want to pay a professional ). jumps, hisses and clicks like you've never heard, sounded awful quality...think I succeeded in cleaning enough and removing the jumps so that it was good enough to play out. Just needed re-cutting last I heard. link

The type font on the label was exclusive to Apple Mac, you know the computers made in the sixties!!!!!!

I've just transfered the tape to DVD and spotted Neil there bopping away! Perhaps we should post up some then and now pictures? Then, the back of my "mullet" & and now my bald patch!

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Andy Rix played the alternate vocal to Sam Fletcher, very "white" sounding too. It's a Dick Charles studio acetate sung by W.B. Willingham who co wrote "I'd think it over" Unfortunatley, it is recorded a little too fast and that's why it might sound a little pink around the gills!

Chalky, is it the Joe Pirolli version? I've got an alternate male vocal to Vivian Carroll Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah here. link

I have put some track up in the “Sounds” section that have been in recent posts, primarily for the benefit of anyone who does not have access to a million quid and a thirty plus year collecting career! They play a bit slow unless you use one of the audio streamers, perhaps Mike can sort it? I hope that they start some discussion threads that will kill off a bit of the negative crap we have had lately. Little Ron – top tune or thank god there’s only the one? Hamilton Movement – the all genre encompassing record, funk deepfunk, modern, and northern or over-priced and over-hyped? Little Willie Faulk – Butch’s best funk record or Stafford has-been that nobody danced to that I can remember at the time? Eddie Billups – quality mid-tempo master piece or dirge that, if it was a fiver, would still been in every dealer’s box? Monzas – blue-eyed soul or white garage crap? Lost Soul – acceptable blue-eyed soul or a crime against humanity?

It's the backing to Doni Burdick - if you walk out my life Thanks Andy "anorak" Rix

I've always dug the name "Abstract Reality". I've always been curious to hear the record because I liked their name so much. I believe they were on Sport or some other Detroit label. Anyone have that 45? -Jas "Love burns like a fire" came out on Sport and is a very nice recording. PM me your email address and I'll send you an mp3. I'm pretty sure they are also Micheal (Cambell) & Raymond (Monette) of 'Man without a woman' fame on RCA, the Pied Piper production being the Detroit link. They also sound very like the Sanpipers 'Lonley too long' as well!