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Thanks for that, there's another clue in there. Frankie & Spindles Funny 'A' 45 Have You Seen Her/Maybe Tomorrow has Swedesboro Music as the writers on Maybe Tomorrow. Swedesboro Music was Eddie Drennon and Marty Cantine working together. So our Marty now has another connection to Frankie & the Spindles. Eddie Drennon arranged their 1st (?) Roc-ker 45 No. RI 3314, it was also recorded at Accent Sound in Baltimore. Thanks also to Ken B.

Hi Ken Thanks for that, I noticed one of your previous topics featured the book the Baltimore Sound, have you got the book ?, if so any references to Marty Cantine ?. Argon also signed a similar deal with scepter/wand about the same time.

I'm still shaking my head 5 minutes after seeing that. I accepted an offer after it didn't sell for 40 quid a couple of years back.

Sorry maybe not clear, I emailed the Wang Dang Doodle people not the Vest (bootleg) ones.

Hmmmm. I found this which is numbered 8007, and throws everything all over the place. https://www.discogs.com/Bobby-Davis-The-Rhythm-Rockers-Going-To-New-Orleans/release/8796452 https://www.discogs.com/label/1040574-Vest-3 and this which shows 8007 as an original Vest release, but no 8008. I've e-mailed them. https://wdd.mbnet.fi/robinson.htm

I think they are the same person, the spelling was interchangeable in the articles i found plus Len Lewis.

From Record World Lenny Lewis, National Sales Manager for 20th Century Fox Records, is excited about the great distributor cooperation on initial sales and interest on Mary Wells' "Stop Takin' Me For Granted" b/'w "Ain't It The Truth," Lenny Lewis. formerly National Sales Manager at 20th Century Fox Records, has formed his own label, LLP Records (for Lenny Lewis Productions), located at 345 West 58th St. LLP Records, N. Y So Lenny Lewis (LLP) was well established in the industry before he got involved with Samar. Far be it from me to suggest Mary Wells might have moonlighted as Madeline Wilson, a record that sits in a very similar groove to some of Mary's 20th Cent. stuff.

Nice one.

There's a heavy Gene Redd Jnr involvement in it's later manifestation.

Just re-read this, the Samar bit contains another "clue", Lennie Lewis, owned the LLP label which released the only 2 other recordings that Gloria Parker did, they both included Bert Decoteaux and Clyde Otis in the credits.

I wanted to hang on and post that connections topic in Look At Your Box.

I Don't want to Discuss It. RIP

There was a want on here for it, must admit I didn't know anything about it, will message sirshambling, if he still comes on here, maybe he can help.

No worries I've disappeared up my own arse three times since starting this thread.

That's a relief then, but what with the Tangeers/Bollon/Plato/Scepter connection as well, you can see how easy a jump it is to Marty.

Yes, thats in the original post.

Additional to the above, Maxine Brown another Wand stalwart had earlier recordings on NoMar records out of NY.

Oh dear maybe not so off topic, much of the Apollas output was with Flomar music, the publishing arm of Scepter/Wand. "Flo" was Florence Greenberg who owned Scepter/Wand, Florence Greenberg is from New Jersey so fits the story geographically, so who was the "mar", surely not our man Marty Cantine ?. Hendrix was said to have worked with the Isleys at Wand and T-Neck. If Flomar does involve our Marty then his influence in the soul music world takes on a whole new perspective, the list of people who published under the Flomar banner is humongous. Help, what have I started here

You've lost me now mate. Who/what on Vest.

Totally off topic, H.B. Barnum's sister Billie was one of the Apollas.

The thing is the Icemen's Samar stuff was done with Johnny Brantley, George Kerr (Tra San) wasn't involved until Ole 9, the other ole 9 release tells us nothing. The ABC release was Bay Wes another George Kerr associated company, possibly in collaboration with Richard Tee or the Poindexters or even Johnny Brantley who used the alias Wesley occasionally (Gate Wesley Band). So once again we're back with the Samar/Marti Cantine connection. As I have been revisiting this project another theme is also developing. Maybe Jimmy Norman is the key to the Samar roster of talent, he definitely had the connections.. His earlier career was at Good Sound and Little Star where he was heavily involved with the O'Jays. His Samar releases followed two previous releases on Polo out of Hollywood, he moved to California as a kid. One of the Polo and one of the Good Sound recordings involved Leonard Jewel smith, almost all of his work prior to Samar involved H.B. Barnum. He worked with Jimi Hendrix and Lonnie Youngblood, maybe connected to him after he wrote the lyrics to Time Is On My Side for Irma Thomas, which was a hit for the Stones. Johnny Brantley was also involved with Hendrix and Youngblood. Jimmy certainly knew some heavy hitters, so what the hell was he doing recording at a tiny backwater label like Samar ?, all his previous work seems to have been done in LA..

Thanks for that it's a bit more meat on the bones.

Cheers Chalky, the topic is really about Marty Cantine, who he was and how he could attract some of the talent he did, to work on relatively unknown artists/labels etc. Lets face it Samar didn't break any pots in terms of sales. The Icemen for example, their 2 Samar releases and the Ole 9 one must have made next to nothing in sales, yet they still managed to get a release on a major label ABC, involving heavyweights like the Poindexters, George Kerr and Richard Tee. At the same time Kerr and Tee were also working with Troy Keyes, Florence Ballard at ABC, The O'Jays at Bell and Timothy Wilson at Buddah. Jimmy Norman also turns up as writer on one of the Troy Keyes songs. I better stop there as this could get way off topic otherwise.

Yep that Samar label. I found the Y-R-S info but not the other bit, I found something else that named Bob Schwartz as co-owner of Samar, as opposed to Bill Schwartau above. So now we have a Bill Schwartau, a Bob Schwartz and a Bob Schwaid all supposedly involved in a small NYC record label. Hmmm no wonder it's not easy to trace people, it makes you wonder if some of them ever existed at all. At least your clipping confirms Marty Cantine was involved in Samar, something I couldn't confirm and had to assume.

Who Marty Cantine was.