Kegsy

Was this website available when the record was supposedly bootlegged ?.

I'm pretty sure I saw one spelt like that one Sunday morning, on the services after the Torch.

Ooops, I have screwed up here, I got the names from the Kenb post above and then found the names of the Debonaires on Soulful Detroit NOT the Debutantes. I just assumed Kenb was correct.

After further sleuthing I don't think think The Debutantes had anything to do with the Debonaires. Firstly the article mentioned above is from 16/04/1966, the Debonaires had Golden World releases prior to that. Record World has a mention of them on 18/09/1965. It's hardly likely they would be announced as the Debutantes 6 months later. Obviously the misleading posting re Debutantes personnel on Soulful Detroit is wrong. I reckon the Debutantes did sign with the Golden World group and they were released on a new subsidiary label Standout, they then left with Terry Knight when he went to Lucky Eleven.

But their version of Shake a Tail Feather certainly does IMHO.

Having said all that, i have just listened to the Standout record and it does sound very "white" if you know what i mean. Perhaps there were two groups called the Debutantes and one had to change it's name, as I said earlier who knows ?.

Yes I saw their 2 other releases on Lucky Eleven and Gail & Rice labels. I think they are a totally different group from the Standout group and the Terry Knight connection is purely coincidental. If, as stated on Soulful Detroit, the Debutantes and Debonaires shared personnel they were definitely not an all white group as Joyce Vincent/Wilson is black. Then again maybe Soulful Detroit is wrong, who knows ?.

According to Soulful Detroit those two were also in the Debonaires, the Debutantes had a record out on Standout records, looking at the label details it seems it was closely associated with Golden World/Ric-Tic/Solid Hitbound etc. I think it's fair to assume the Debutantes became the Debonaires.

You're welcome.

See you in about 3 months then !

Yes Roburt like Tony Michaels was lead singer of the (golden world) reflections. Probably not earth shattering news but how many knew ?.

If you check out ALL the later pink label releases 225 onwards you will see the type faces are all different to the earlier pink releases. Plus the type face on the multi-coloured label can't be compared to the pink ones as it was probably redone when the new design came in.

The label might not have been in business but Don Davis and Lebaron Taylor were still in the business, so any later pressing may have been legit even though they used a now defunct label. Look what happened when Global simply ordered The Carstairs on Red Coach from the U.S.

The record stayed in the U.S. charts for yonks so there will have been numerous legit re-presses done in the U.S. to keep up with demand, which would account for all the variations.

Too true, a photo of Edward Hamilton and an advert for Brice Coefield and that's just for starters in that issue.

I cannot really argue with your hypothesis as the facts are not really known either way, but I can offer an alternative. Open the door... quickly became a massive seller for what was a relatively small and brand new label. The Canadian Revilot release was distributed by London/Decca, however the Quality label had strong ties to MGM, the owner worked for MGM before launching Quality. If LeBaron Taylor decided the record plant/distributor wasn't keeping up with demand, for the record, he may well have swapped U.S. plants/distributors. MGM seem to have used 4/5 different pressing plants throughout the U.S, this would mean there could have been all sorts different imprints of the record. The London/Decca connection and the Quality/MGM connection may also indicate what happened in the UK re London/Stateside. Obviously London (UK) was linked to Decca (UK) which also owned London in the U.S. and Canada. MGM seemed to have ties to EMI in the UK, if you look at Bok To Bach UK issue it has the same "Sold subject etc." as EMI releases of the same period. One things for sure, the Revilot label was a strange one when it came to rights/distribution etc, even in the UK it's product came out on at least 4 different labels, London, Stateside, Polydor, Track.

To be honest I really can't understand why anybody would bother bootlegging a record that was never that rare in the first place after say 1972.

I can't speak for Robert but we were there at a moment in time and I don't think anybody gave much thought to anything but getting some gear, getting blocked and getting to the nighter . Although we may have considered the scene ours and special at the time. Work Monday (maybe), then all that mattered was scoring and transport to the nighter the next weekend, getting home was always an afterthought.

I didn't say it was played Bri and i didnt say it was a good sound. I just thought it might have been as it became a bit of a collectors item not long after the Wheel shut. Which other "crap" posted on here so far do you reckon wasn't played ?. I never went to the Wheel, but went to places 68/69/70 where lads who did go dj'ed or brought records in for the dj to play.

Not sure if this was played at the Wheel but sounds like it might have been

Another one that's totally forgotten nowadays as a wheel sound.

Played on UK Pye Int. though.

Baby reconsider and Hit & Run still go for a few quid, plus lots of original UK releases of Wheel sounds are pretty rare.

This is long forgotten

Here you go, instrumentals were allowed back then. plus this